86 | A Life Behind The Lens w/ Cody & Victoria

Today, we’re stepping behind the screens and into the lives of Cody and Victoria Blue, a climbing couple who have built a sustainable life around capturing and sharing their adventures in the mountains. Relatively new to climbing, their success lies not in the groundbreaking nature of their climbing achievements, but in their remarkable abilities as videographers and story tellers in the environments that inspire us the most. 

Recently, Cody and Victoria documented their journey up one of the most iconic mountains in the world—the Matterhorn. The short film these two produced is super well done and really showcases their strengths as storytellers and artists. If you haven’t seen it yet I highly recommend checking it out on their Youtube Channel.

Filming in the mountains is already an immense challenge. But being both the filmmaker and the subject—while also focusing on climbing safely? That’s a whole different level of difficulty and a challenge that simply cannot be overstated..How do you decide what moments are worth capturing? Do you film everything, or does documenting the entire experience risk taking away from the present moment? These are the kinds of questions we explore in this conversation, gaining a deeper understanding of what it’s really like to create the videos we all love to watch.

I was psyched to sit down with Cody and Victoria and dive into such relatable and thought-provoking topics. The term “influencer” often comes with mixed opinions, but these two are living their dream—and have found a way to support a life of creation and climbing. I have a huge amount of respect for that and can’t wait to see where their skills take them next.

And now, I bring you my conversation with Cody & Victoria Blue.

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Resources

Cody & Victorias Youtube

The Matterhorn Film

Cody & Victorias Instagram

Website

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 2:18 Background
• 17:08 Climbing Progression & Risk Management
• 48:08 The Matterhorn
• 1:16:37 The Challenges of Climbing & Creating
• 1:29:22 Life As An Influencer Couple
• 1:46:42 The Partnership & Reflections

Transcript

00:00:00:14 - 00:00:05:21
Speaker 1
Have you ever felt that most climbing media only tells stories about what's happening at the pinnacle of the sport,

00:00:05:22 - 00:00:08:20
Speaker 1
leaving the stories of everyday climbers untold?

00:00:09:03 - 00:00:14:05
Speaker 1
I'm Kyle, and I believe that there is a growing group of climbers that wants representation.

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Speaker 1
Welcome to the Climbing Majority podcast, where I capture the stories, experiences and lessons of nonprofessional climbers, guides and athletes from around the world.

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Speaker 1
Come join me as I dive deep into a more relatable world of climbing.

00:00:29:21 - 00:00:53:19
Speaker 1
Welcome back to the show. Today we are stepping behind the screens and into the lives of Cody and Victoria Blue, a climbing couple who have built a sustainable life around capturing and sharing their adventures in the mountains. Relatively new to climbing. Their success lies not in the groundbreaking nature of their climbing achievements, but in their remarkable abilities as videographers and storytellers in the environments that inspire us.

00:00:53:19 - 00:01:20:19
Speaker 1
The most recently, Cody and Victoria documented their journey up one of the most iconic mountains in the world, the Matterhorn. The short film these two produced is super well done and really showcases their strengths as storytellers and artists. If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend checking it out on their YouTube channel. Filming in the mountains is already an immense challenge, but being both the filmmaker and the subject while also focusing on climbing safely.

00:01:20:21 - 00:01:40:16
Speaker 1
That's a whole different level of difficulty and a challenge that simply cannot go overstated. How do you decide what moments are worth capturing? Do you film everything? Or does documenting the entire experience risk taking away from the present moment? These are the kind of questions we explore in this conversation, gaining a deeper understanding of what it's really like to create the videos we all love to watch.

00:01:40:18 - 00:02:01:06
Speaker 1
I would like to sit down with Cody and Victoria and dive into such relatable and thought provoking topics. The term influencer often comes with mixed opinions, but these two are living their dream and have found a way to support the life of creation and climbing. I have a huge amount of respect for that, and I cannot wait to see where their skills take them next.

00:02:01:08 - 00:02:06:05
Speaker 1
And now I bring you my conversation with Cody and Victoria Blue.

00:02:18:13 - 00:02:22:19
Speaker 1
We met at the gym, actually. Not the climbing gym. The weightlifting gym?

00:02:22:19 - 00:02:23:08
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

00:02:23:13 - 00:02:44:12
Speaker 2
Prior, prior to getting into climbing, we were, like both personal trainers, basically. And so we were working at, like, the same company, but at two separate gyms. But I had, like, seen her around occasionally and like, you know, she was super fit and good looking. And so I was like, eventually I got to talk to this girl and yeah, I ended up sending her a DM on Facebook.

00:02:44:14 - 00:02:49:03
Speaker 2
So I was like, too nervous to like, you know, walk up in and bother her during her set. But,

00:02:49:04 - 00:02:51:18
Speaker 1
Now we're married and all was,

00:02:51:20 - 00:03:12:12
Speaker 2
But I was like, I'm pretty sure you go to the same gym that I go to, like on Facebook and, yeah. Then we started hanging out, started working out together, and ever since then, I mean, we moved to Tahoe together and, like, got into climbing and all all the outdoor stuff together, pretty much. We didn't really do a whole lot of outdoor stuff, like back when we were in Arizona.

00:03:12:16 - 00:03:16:18
Speaker 2
Now I was like going to the gym and all or that I was skateboarding, you know?

00:03:17:00 - 00:03:25:21
Speaker 1
Yeah, well, honestly, we, we met and then we were dating for five months and then we both moved to Tahoe together. And that was eight years ago. So.

00:03:26:02 - 00:03:27:09
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:03:27:09 - 00:03:33:11
Speaker 1
like, did it move quickly? Like Hannah and I, like, we met. We, like, spent together a year, and then we, like, immediately started traveling around the

00:03:34:07 - 00:03:41:03
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty much when, you know, you know, I guess as cliche as that is. But that's just what happened.

00:03:41:03 - 00:03:54:14
Speaker 1
That's awesome. And so, Cody, you were saying, like, you were not like, the the climbing aspect of your life hadn't really grabbed you at that point. Like, Victoria for yourself, is it kind of the same situation where you're just kind of a gym head at that point?

00:03:55:01 - 00:04:19:08
Speaker 1
Yeah. Well, yeah. I was a gymnast growing up, like competitive gymnast. And, just my family didn't do anything outdoors, you know? Which, Yeah, I just was never introduced to anything like that. And then. So we moved to Tahoe. It's just like the accessibility here is just insane. So you can go mountain biking, snowboarding. We go into rock climbing only four years ago, actually 4 or 5 years ago.

00:04:19:08 - 00:04:19:12
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:04:19:12 - 00:04:35:17
Speaker 2
I think we're going into like our fifth season. But yeah, originally, like I knew about this place called Lake Tahoe and like I wanted to come here just to go snowboarding basically. And so yeah, I had come up prior to meeting Victoria and like, found out how beautiful it was and like and mostly just wanted to come to go snowboard.

00:04:35:17 - 00:04:49:17
Speaker 2
So I met this two girl five months later, I was like, hey, there's this place called Lake Tahoe. Like, we should go check it out at least. You know, I figure, like, worst case, we'll go back home, you know? So we moved out here, we got, like, a 500 square foot studio.

00:04:49:22 - 00:04:51:01
Speaker 3
And.

00:04:51:03 - 00:05:04:10
Speaker 2
Then Mills. Yeah, like, literally just started learning all the outdoor stuff. You know, somebody introduces you to mountain biking or climbing, and then. Yeah, it was just like she said, it was so accessible that it's like, we're just. We're gonna try everything.

00:05:04:10 - 00:05:09:07
Speaker 1
Yeah. And we, we kind of tried everything together. So I think that.

00:05:09:08 - 00:05:09:17
Speaker 3
You know.

00:05:09:17 - 00:05:15:06
Speaker 1
Yeah, it was just kind of fun that way that we were learning all these things together at the same time.

00:05:15:08 - 00:05:33:12
Speaker 2
And then we started climbing and it's like, well, I think this is all I want to do now. Like even now, it's like pretty much winter. The ski resorts are open and I'm like, damn, I wish like, like I would rather go climbing. Even though I moved here to go snowboarding. It's we're like, oh, maybe we can go to Bishop.

00:05:33:12 - 00:05:39:07
Speaker 1
where you're just like. Like you just said, like, this is what I want to continue doing, like, versus everything else. Like, what was that moment?

00:05:39:06 - 00:05:42:19
Speaker 3
Oh, I don't know.

00:05:42:21 - 00:06:03:18
Speaker 2
I don't know if there was like a specific moment because like, we got into climbing kind of randomly, like with no plans really. On going climbing. The first time we ever went climbing was with a friend of ours, and we were like, in our trail runners, and I think he just needed a bilayer. And so he was like, yeah, you guys, you can climb on your trail runners like, that's fine.

00:06:03:18 - 00:06:07:23
Speaker 2
But so he just wanted somebody to belay him. But after that we kind of.

00:06:07:23 - 00:06:08:22
Speaker 3
Were.

00:06:09:00 - 00:06:12:21
Speaker 2
Not really feeling it to be honest. We're like, I will probably never climb again.

00:06:12:22 - 00:06:15:23
Speaker 1
I thought it was too slow.

00:06:16:01 - 00:06:30:08
Speaker 2
But, then she was working at a gym and one of her employees, like, was moving to Hawaii and and, like, gave us this box of, like, old, like, vintage climbing gear, but it had, like, shoes and helmets. And there was we had.

00:06:30:08 - 00:06:39:05
Speaker 1
A trade rack, I had a trad rack that was sold for like 50 bucks. So yeah, we were like, we're not going to use this ever. So here, take it for 50 bucks. We have no idea what this is. Yeah, we.

00:06:39:05 - 00:06:47:13
Speaker 2
Literally had no idea at all. But I started like hopping on line and looking into climbing and stuff and, like, figured out how to set up a top rope and

00:06:47:14 - 00:06:55:10
Speaker 2
that's when we, like, really got into it was when we kind of started doing it on our own. And then, I mean, ever since, it's just been like the coolest thing ever.

00:06:55:11 - 00:06:56:13
Speaker 2
You know, I think

00:06:56:13 - 00:07:11:20
Speaker 2
for me, it probably is like as soon as we got into Multipage climbing, then it's like, okay, this is the coolest thing a human being could possibly do, in my opinion. Like, I don't know, it's there's just something so rad about being like 400ft up, you know, on a wall.

00:07:11:22 - 00:07:12:10
Speaker 3
So.

00:07:12:11 - 00:07:18:21
Speaker 1
Actually our first, multi pitch climb was a sport climb with big Bad Wolf and Red rocks.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:21:09 - 00:07:22:18
Speaker 2
Super good.

00:07:22:18 - 00:07:27:14
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean, I, I definitely resonate with the idea that it's got to be one of the best things that human can

00:07:28:11 - 00:07:32:06
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

00:07:32:08 - 00:07:54:20
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like when you're standing up at a belay, like I said, you know, 4 or 500ft off the ground, like, every single time. I'm just like. Like I should not be up here, you know, like, this is. It's wild. You know, you just you get to see, I mean, and Yosemite or wherever you need to see, like, a view, a vantage point that, like 99% of people don't get to see.

00:07:54:20 - 00:08:04:11
Speaker 2
And like, I don't know that real sense of, like, adventure, right? Like I said, like I'm not supposed to be up here. And so like that element to me is pretty cool.

00:08:04:10 - 00:08:21:15
Speaker 1
So the it sounds like I was you know one of my questions was going to be like what was the driving force behind climbing. Because I think a lot of people sometimes it's like the technical difficulty. It's the movement. You know, it's like boulders for instance. Like that's kind of like their drive. So, you know, it seems like you answer that question already.

00:08:21:15 - 00:08:25:07
Speaker 1
Like the the passion for you in climbing is is adventure. Is that right?

00:08:25:09 - 00:08:48:07
Speaker 1
I would say so, yeah. I mean, we we do. We love the technical aspect of I mean, there's so many disciplines of climbing, but we love the technical aspect of it. And like being able to, like, move in, flow into a climb. But the adventure is definitely a huge, huge push for us, especially with our job. I think it just tells it lends itself to good stories and

00:08:48:08 - 00:08:49:02
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

00:08:49:02 - 00:09:08:14
Speaker 2
Yeah, I think, I mean, it's a combination, right? We both come from like a fitness background. And so definitely like the physical aspect of, like trying hard and failing over and over and over and like seeing the progress. Right. Like the grades are nice because you can you can measure that progress. But yeah, I mean, that and the adventure, I think those are like top two for me.

00:09:08:14 - 00:09:27:20
Speaker 2
It's more so the adventure. Like we don't care necessarily to like try and get to 513 or something like that, you know, like if I did, cool. Like I would be stoked. But if I had the option between like going and projecting something really hard or going and spending a day on like an adventure on like something moderate, I would much rather go and do the adventure.

00:09:27:20 - 00:09:29:01
Speaker 2
So.

00:09:29:04 - 00:09:47:05
Speaker 1
Yeah. I'm the same way. You had said, you know, you were into snowboarding before. I would say that kind of, like, has, like, this a little bit of an adventurous spirit, right? Victoria, like, did you when was your moment where you kind of, like, tapped into that adventure side of yourself? You said your parents weren't really into that kind of thing.

00:09:47:05 - 00:09:49:21
Speaker 1
Like, when did that happen?

00:09:51:05 - 00:10:18:05
Speaker 1
Yeah, that's funny because, with gymnastics, like, it's very structured, right? Like, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm practicing 4.5 hours a day, five days a week. There wasn't really any adventure in that. Right? So I it's interesting that you ask that question, but I would say that kind of Cody brought that adventure spirit out of me, just knowing that something was possible, or even that it was even available to me to even try.

00:10:18:07 - 00:10:33:03
Speaker 1
Otherwise, I just, I feel like I would have never even known that any of this existed. You know, all this outdoor recreation, all the fun that we get to have outside. So. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Cody, for showing me the light.

00:10:33:08 - 00:10:35:11
Speaker 2
Thanks for coming along and being my partner.

00:10:35:11 - 00:10:37:20
Speaker 3
So, yeah.

00:10:37:19 - 00:10:43:05
Speaker 1
know, what about your partnership and I guess. What about your self, Victoria? Like, you could have totally been like passenger

00:11:07:21 - 00:11:15:07
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit of, like, the competitive spirit in me to, like, keep up with him, but also, like,

00:11:15:06 - 00:11:23:06
Speaker 1
once we started getting into multi pitch climbing, it's like, I want it to be a part of the team. Like, I didn't want him to just do everything. I'm just, like, standing there like not knowing what's going on.

00:11:23:11 - 00:11:46:11
Speaker 1
Like I wanted to be a part of the whole experience. So I don't know, I, I love leading, like leading is just so empowering. Empowering, especially as a woman. I just feel like like I, I mean, I don't know, I just feel like any woman can do it. It's just totally mental. But I also like having him by my side, encouraging me, like telling me that, like, I can actually do these things definitely helps.

00:11:46:13 - 00:11:52:05
Speaker 1
But yeah, no, I, I think the, the main answer to that is like, I just want to be a part of the team,

00:11:52:06 - 00:11:53:21
Speaker 1
carry my weight.

00:11:54:00 - 00:12:09:11
Speaker 2
To be fair, she's a crusher. Like, I'm sure you find when you're out with your partner and he leads something and you're like, dude, I can't believe you let that like that happens. Almost every time she climbs a pitch. I'm like, I cannot believe you just led that. Like, I would not lead this pitch.

00:12:09:11 - 00:12:13:16
Speaker 1
To be fair, though, every time he leaves, I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe you let that.

00:12:13:18 - 00:12:31:01
Speaker 2
We always, like we always get up to the plate and I'm like, Holy shit, I can't believe you let that you're gonna. That's. Yeah. It's like it's always, I don't know, maybe it's just different on top rub. You're not so, like, locked in and focus, but I'm just like, damn. And for people who don't know, you're five one.

00:12:31:01 - 00:12:48:14
Speaker 1
Five one, but I don't. My my height is not an excuse for me because all the professional female climbers are short and they can do like the same level as all the men. So like, yeah, yeah. Emily Harrington sure. Yeah. I mean, like, so I try not to use my height as an excuse.

00:12:48:16 - 00:12:49:12
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:12:49:14 - 00:12:53:03
Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean with and they're all gymnasts too, so it's definitely that.

00:12:53:05 - 00:12:55:06
Speaker 3
Oh.

00:12:55:06 - 00:13:06:02
Speaker 1
into each other's strengths? Like, is one person really good at a certain size of crack or is one person better at stemming versus slab climbing. Like you know, do you guys do you as, pick particular pitches based

00:13:07:17 - 00:13:12:05
Speaker 1
I always let Cody lead the run out outfitters. I hate run out.

00:13:12:07 - 00:13:30:12
Speaker 2
And I try to force Victoria to lead all the wide pitches because I, I just I'm like, you can fit into them better than me. Like, you should at least try it. And then if you can't do it, I'll give it a go. But I try to convince her.

00:13:30:14 - 00:13:34:00
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. I'm like, you can just like you can just tell me it.

00:13:34:02 - 00:13:35:21
Speaker 1
I hate it though. This horse.

00:13:35:21 - 00:13:40:19
Speaker 2
But no, I do think like I if I'm honest, I think she's the better like off with climber for sure.

00:13:40:19 - 00:13:44:08
Speaker 3
So you know, I mean

00:13:44:10 - 00:13:47:16
Speaker 1
I mean I don't know, I got a long ways to go, but.

00:13:47:18 - 00:13:50:17
Speaker 2
I don't know, whenever it's a wide pitch, I'm like, oh, you can leave this one if you want to.

00:13:50:23 - 00:14:06:16
Speaker 1
Yeah, I would say like, you're Cody's strength is problem solving. He's really very creative and can kind of just get us out of any situation. So I definitely lean on him for that aspect. But yeah, as far as technique goes, I mean, you can do everything that I. Yeah.

00:14:06:18 - 00:14:30:01
Speaker 2
Like we're, we're very evenly matched, like, like there's maybe been 1 or 2 climbs where like she has been able to send that. I haven't and I haven't been able to send and she hasn't, but probably only two that I can think of currently. So like it's always like as soon as she sends it's like, I'll send on the next go or vice versa.

00:14:30:01 - 00:14:38:05
Speaker 2
So we're like super well matched, which is fun because like, we're stoked. Like we're stoked to go climb the same things. You know, we're we're at the same limit.

00:14:38:10 - 00:14:57:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. And we're and we're each other's like main partner. So like I think the struggle right now for us because I'm injured, he's been having a hard time finding a ballet or anyone to climb with which, like, I feel for all the people who don't have, like, their main player with them at all times. Like, it must be so hard to find people to climb with.

00:14:57:22 - 00:15:17:01
Speaker 1
I came to that realization recently too. Like Hannah's for sure. Just like my go to belay partner. And I've luckily been able to build like a decent community through my Instagram and have people, like, visiting Vegas because it's kind of like a place to visit. But it is. It is hard. I think in general it is hard to find partners, and I think it's also hard to find partners that like

00:15:18:20 - 00:15:21:00
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

00:15:26:07 - 00:15:28:16
Speaker 3
Totally.

00:15:35:05 - 00:15:37:01
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:15:47:05 - 00:16:04:13
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to find. I mean, I mean, at least for me, like. I mean, you know, I climb with Victoria, and that's pretty much the only person I climb with. But on the rare occasion that I do climb, go climb with somebody else, I feel that like trust factor too of like do too. I trust this person, right?

00:16:04:13 - 00:16:22:23
Speaker 2
Like, like most of the time I'm climbing with somebody that's a crusher, you know, that's climbs way harder than I do. But like, sometimes that comes with them, like being cool, belaying off one piece or like, you know, something that I'm just like, oh, that's like at least her. And I like, we have learned everything together, like from the ground up.

00:16:22:23 - 00:16:37:18
Speaker 2
And so like, we're totally on the same page, like there's no question about our anchors or belay techniques or anything like that. So yeah, I couldn't imagine like changing partners every week. It's like, oh, like is, is this the guy that messes up, you know, or something?

00:16:37:18 - 00:16:43:08
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:16:43:09 - 00:16:46:06
Speaker 2
Right. Like

00:16:46:08 - 00:16:53:15
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:16:53:17 - 00:16:54:00
Speaker 3
Right.

00:16:54:00 - 00:16:58:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I.

00:16:58:02 - 00:17:06:15
Speaker 2
Like that. I like the, a more safety focused partner. You know just if everybody could be like that, that would be great.

00:17:06:18 - 00:17:21:15
Speaker 1
All right. Well, so, like, moving this kind of trajectory forward, like, you know, you first get into climbing, it's mostly single pitch stuff. You started getting into multi pitch. Like when did the transfer happen towards like mountaineering. Like,

00:17:21:15 - 00:17:23:07
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:17:36:21 - 00:17:54:05
Speaker 1
We were super into backpacking before we got into climbing. And then we realized backpacking is kind of boring because you just hike in and you're just, like, at camp for the rest of the day, and you're like, well, what else is there to do? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So we're like, okay, well, how can we make this, like more exciting?

00:17:54:05 - 00:18:10:19
Speaker 1
Like this whole thing? And then we're like, oh, there's this thing called like, alpine climbing where you can just like camp out there and go climb the next day and then camp again and climb whatever we want out there. So I think that was like kind of our introduction into all of that. Mountaineering though, that's a different it's a different.

00:18:10:21 - 00:18:11:08
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:18:11:08 - 00:18:22:02
Speaker 2
Yeah. It's I mean, I'm sure we'll, we'll get into this with some of the other stuff. We talk about what we're.

00:18:22:04 - 00:18:22:19
Speaker 3
Yep.

00:18:22:21 - 00:18:29:05
Speaker 2
Yeah. So we climbed the East Buttress on Whitney. I was like, one of the first ones. I think the first alpine climb we ever did was.

00:18:29:05 - 00:18:29:16
Speaker 1
Matterhorn.

00:18:29:16 - 00:18:31:03
Speaker 2
Peak. So Matterhorn.

00:18:31:05 - 00:18:31:14
Speaker 1
Guinness.

00:18:31:18 - 00:18:52:09
Speaker 2
In the Hoover wilderness? Yeah. It's like A56, which is funny. I think that's, like, kind of a cool story. Is like, the first alpine climb we ever did was Matterhorn Peak. But yeah, it was like kind of a Chelsea five six. It we had been there before, so like we climbed it the mountaineers way, you know, like up the east cooler.

00:18:52:11 - 00:19:16:12
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like up the cooler basically to the top. And so that was like our first, probably our first like mountaineering. Yeah. Trip at all. That was like the first time we ever, like, planned on summiting a mountain, you know, out in the backcountry. And so I think naturally that led itself to like once we got into climbing, we're like, oh, maybe there's like a route that goes up, you know, that same peak because we were familiar with it and we had been there before.

00:19:16:14 - 00:19:20:09
Speaker 2
And yeah, so there's like a little five, six. I don't even remember how many pitches.

00:19:20:11 - 00:19:22:19
Speaker 1
There's like 11 pitches, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:22:23 - 00:19:27:07
Speaker 2
It was like pretty chill and was that was like our first intro to like alpine climbing.

00:19:27:07 - 00:19:34:18
Speaker 3
So.

00:19:34:20 - 00:19:46:05
Speaker 1
Yeah. And I think like, with, with alpine climate, it comes like with trying to figure out how to stay light, you know. And so the more trips that we did, we figured that out. But it wasn't like a.

00:19:46:07 - 00:20:06:09
Speaker 2
Yeah I mean like there's. Yeah. So it was I mean you're you're combining backpacking and climbing, right? I guess like the hard things are the obvious things. Right. Like finding the start of the route, you know, because these, these climbs are like I mean, that one in particular is like it probably never gets climbed, like, not very often, you know, not like something like The Incredible Hulk or something.

00:20:06:09 - 00:20:19:20
Speaker 2
So even just finding the start is like, kind of difficult. But I mean, otherwise we tried to just approach it as like it's just another multi pitch, like, you know, multi-page trad climb basically.

00:20:19:22 - 00:20:22:22
Speaker 1
With some loose, loose rock every once in a while.

00:20:23:00 - 00:20:24:16
Speaker 2
Yeah, a little, a little bit of flavor.

00:20:24:16 - 00:20:26:15
Speaker 1
And a little spice in there.

00:20:26:17 - 00:20:28:20
Speaker 2
But yeah, I mean it.

00:20:28:22 - 00:20:29:22
Speaker 3
Yeah. Totally.

00:20:29:22 - 00:20:42:01
Speaker 2
Yeah. So like those little things. But I mean by that point, you know, we had we had a numerous, you know, trad multi pitches under our belts. We knew like what to look out for and how to not kill yourself basically.

00:20:42:01 - 00:20:43:17
Speaker 3
So yeah.

00:20:43:19 - 00:20:52:04
Speaker 1
Not to say that we were completely confident though going in. We were just like we're like, okay, we know we're doing like let's just like take one step at a time. Yeah,

00:20:52:03 - 00:21:02:15
Speaker 1
definitely an element of just throwing yourself at it and knowing that like you, like you said you can problem solve and manage the risk along the way. And you know that's part of the adventure, right? I think, you can't have adventure

00:21:05:05 - 00:21:06:08
Speaker 1
Yeah. For sure.

00:21:06:08 - 00:21:07:08
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:21:07:07 - 00:21:07:23
Speaker 1
a little bit.

00:21:08:01 - 00:21:15:12
Speaker 1
Did you guys have any mentors, like key mentors during your climbing, or was it totally just like, feeding off of each other's knowledge and growth?

00:21:15:15 - 00:21:27:08
Speaker 1
Yeah, I, I think to our detriment, we didn't have mentors. But looking back, I kind of wish that we didn't, because I think that we would be way more advanced now.

00:21:27:10 - 00:21:47:16
Speaker 2
Yeah. I think it's like our progress has been slow, at least slower than, like, some of our friends. I mean, the only person or like, mentor. I mean, I think you had the gravity lab Brandt on so he like, showed us how to place gear basically was like he was like the guy that like, took us to the crag and was like, this is how you place a nut.

00:21:47:16 - 00:22:23:00
Speaker 2
But like, that was kind of the extent of like the mentorship. You know, we pretty much after that it was like, well, okay, like, where's a five for like, let's go try it. You know. But yeah, we kind of were definitely like self-taught for sure, which like Victoria was saying, if, if I could do it all over or like give any advice, it's like, definitely find somebody who just because I think like the first two years that we started climbing was like we were so timid and like scared and like, not really sure if we were doing everything right, you know, which maybe isn't the best place to be.

00:22:23:00 - 00:22:34:10
Speaker 2
Obviously. You know, we took it easy, like we were climbing five four for like the first year, right? Just because to make sure that nothing was going to go wrong. Yeah, but I think you would progress much faster if you had.

00:22:34:11 - 00:22:34:21
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:22:35:02 - 00:22:36:21
Speaker 2
You know, if somebody could take you under their wing.

00:22:37:03 - 00:22:54:12
Speaker 1
Yeah. I think we were able to see it firsthand because we were in Yosemite this past, October. And our friend Kaylee didn't even know what a cam was. We taught her everything we knew, and in two weeks, she was leading A58 in Yosemite. Yeah, and but that's because, like, I.

00:22:54:12 - 00:22:55:21
Speaker 2
Mean, she was climbing with us every.

00:22:55:23 - 00:23:10:23
Speaker 1
Living with you every day and, like, trusted him and trusted the gear because she was seeing other people climb. And like to me that that just showed me like, okay. Like if you had somebody with like coaching you pretty much like every day, like your progress could be way more than you could ever imagine.

00:23:10:23 - 00:23:16:20
Speaker 2
And your confidence and just think everything would be much better. She could be like a total anomaly, but.

00:23:16:21 - 00:23:17:06
Speaker 1
Could be.

00:23:17:07 - 00:23:17:16
Speaker 3
Totally.

00:23:17:21 - 00:23:23:22
Speaker 2
But it was interesting to see. I'm like, damn. Like it took me, you know, probably two seasons to get to like five, eight.

00:23:24:00 - 00:23:29:10
Speaker 3
Yeah. But.

00:23:29:12 - 00:23:31:18
Speaker 3
Sure.

00:23:31:18 - 00:23:40:04
Speaker 1
have a similar story. Like I had someone take me out and be like here's a nut, here's a cam, here's an anchor. And it's like okay, good luck. And like that's pretty much I that was my mentorship.

00:23:40:04 - 00:23:51:10
Speaker 1
And you know, I was the person who was out there ready to lead. So I just went around and found people to to climb with me. And so like, I think one of my first try climbs was, who done it on,

00:23:53:15 - 00:23:58:11
Speaker 3
Whoa.

00:23:58:13 - 00:24:10:10
Speaker 3
Well.

00:24:10:12 - 00:24:11:22
Speaker 3
Oh, yeah. The. Yeah.

00:24:11:22 - 00:24:16:05
Speaker 2
The little wire.

00:24:16:07 - 00:24:17:04
Speaker 1
I know.

00:24:17:06 - 00:24:25:15
Speaker 3
Oh, my gosh.

00:24:25:17 - 00:24:33:04
Speaker 3
I. Yeah.

00:24:51:02 - 00:24:56:05
Speaker 3
Totally.

00:24:56:07 - 00:25:02:03
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:25:02:05 - 00:25:08:23
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

00:25:09:00 - 00:25:12:16
Speaker 3
Yeah yeah yeah.

00:25:24:23 - 00:25:26:12
Speaker 3
Totally. And.

00:25:33:12 - 00:25:39:13
Speaker 1
Yep. I that is that's that's very much Tanner.

00:25:44:17 - 00:25:45:13
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:25:45:15 - 00:25:50:12
Speaker 2
Yeah, there's definitely ways to find people that will teach you for sure.

00:25:50:14 - 00:25:58:07
Speaker 3
Like. And I think that's.

00:25:58:09 - 00:26:08:19
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. That's at least some of them.

00:26:08:21 - 00:26:26:16
Speaker 2
But, what are your thoughts on like. I'm curious. Just like teaching yourself to go climbing.

00:26:26:18 - 00:26:35:11
Speaker 2
Right. And that's kind of where I'm at is like, so we're two people who both have done it.

00:26:35:13 - 00:26:46:22
Speaker 3
For sure. Yeah.

00:26:47:00 - 00:27:01:18
Speaker 3
For sure. Yeah.

00:27:01:20 - 00:27:04:01
Speaker 3
Yeah, definitely.

00:27:04:01 - 00:27:15:04
Speaker 1
you're more into the adventure, you're kind of like you enjoy the process of self-learning and you enjoy the process of that exploration and like teaching yourself and sharing that knowledge with others. And I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

00:27:15:04 - 00:27:23:11
Speaker 1
I just think, understand that you are going down a little bit more of a risky path and just like pump the brakes sometimes and just like take, every time you're in a decision, like

00:27:25:07 - 00:27:26:23
Speaker 3
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I yeah.

00:27:26:23 - 00:27:55:20
Speaker 2
I agree because we're in like a unique position with the social media thing where like, I mean, almost without fail, like, no matter what we post, somebody is always telling us that, like, we have a responsibility to, like, make sure that people don't die. Like, I know it could be something as simple as, like, you know, I ran it out 25ft and somebody will maybe comment like, oh, you shouldn't be doing that, because people are going to watch this and think that they should go run it out 25ft or whatever.

00:27:56:01 - 00:28:03:12
Speaker 2
And so, like on the topic of whether or not you should teach yourself, it's like, you know, I did it, you did it.

00:28:03:14 - 00:28:05:00
Speaker 3
It's

00:28:05:00 - 00:28:22:00
Speaker 1
it like don't in general for somebody listening. And if you're trying to teach yourself, I wouldn't like I don't know, like like, for instance, I posted a video of me simul rapping, simul Greek rapping. And of course, that's got a lot of heat. Like everyone's like, don't do this is super dangerous. And like, yes, I agree, but there's ways to do it safely.

00:28:22:02 - 00:28:28:14
Speaker 1
But if you're if you're somebody who's learning how to climb and you see someone saying, well, Gregory rap, and then you just go out and try it for

00:28:29:15 - 00:28:33:01
Speaker 3
Right. Yeah. Right. Right.

00:28:58:14 - 00:29:01:19
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:40:21 - 00:29:43:20
Speaker 3
Sure.

00:29:54:03 - 00:29:55:15
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah.

00:30:02:15 - 00:30:06:20
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah.

00:30:06:22 - 00:30:25:17
Speaker 2
I hate to say it, but some of our, like, good Instagram, you know, good, high performing Instagram has been literally just me building an anchor. But but I'm not saying like, it's never like a this is how you should build an anchor. It's like I'm at the top of a pitch and I'm going to build an anchor.

00:30:25:17 - 00:30:31:17
Speaker 1
What do you guys think about it? Yeah, I just like opens up the conversation of like, what do you guys think about this anchor.

00:30:31:19 - 00:30:42:02
Speaker 2
Anchors are controversial, period. You could build a bomber three piece like the perfect textbook anger and it's controversial. Still.

00:30:42:04 - 00:30:45:20
Speaker 1
Yes, it does for sure.

00:30:45:21 - 00:30:46:13
Speaker 3
Yeah yeah, yeah.

00:30:46:19 - 00:31:09:18
Speaker 2
But yeah, in terms of teaching yourself, I think it takes, you know, a special type of person. You need to be, like, very detail oriented. You need to be willing to like, read some books, probably like that's that's the road that I went down, you know, like the freedom of the hills and all the climbing anchor field guides and like, you know, the things that are written by guides that I think, you know, are going to give you the best information and, and, and keep you safe.

00:31:09:21 - 00:31:16:08
Speaker 2
Most importantly. Yeah, I totally.

00:31:16:10 - 00:31:26:14
Speaker 3
Yeah. Seriously? Yeah.

00:31:27:23 - 00:31:29:12
Speaker 1
Yeah. I've heard we've heard about the.

00:31:29:12 - 00:31:35:16
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's probably something we should have gone.

00:31:35:18 - 00:31:42:07
Speaker 3
Yes.

00:31:42:09 - 00:31:52:05
Speaker 3
Yeah I totally yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:31:52:05 - 00:32:03:07
Speaker 1
that relationship with the trad gear, I think is super important. And it's something that I, missed. And I think that's like a good lesson for people. It's just like, build that relationship and don't just trust it because you think it's good because you don't

00:32:04:04 - 00:32:06:07
Speaker 1
Yeah. No I think I agree with that.

00:32:06:09 - 00:32:25:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. We were probably polar opposite. Right. Like we were climbing the easiest things ever that, like, you definitely aren't going to fall and, like, instead of blindly trusting the gear, I was mostly like, not trusting it at all. Just like, even though, like, knowing. Right? Like I had read the books and I had like, you know, Brandt had showed us how to place gear and like it was fairly confident that I was doing it right.

00:32:25:04 - 00:32:32:15
Speaker 2
But there was still that like, well, me, maybe it's not right, you know? So like.

00:32:32:15 - 00:32:42:00
Speaker 1
And I know this is, this is one of the topics I'm going to dive into. But I guess we're already here is that, I think the safest way to try climb is to never fall. Personally.

00:32:42:08 - 00:32:45:00
Speaker 2
That's been something we've been reevaluating.

00:32:45:02 - 00:32:46:14
Speaker 1
Yeah. Well we have. Yeah.

00:32:46:14 - 00:33:02:21
Speaker 2
Well it's it's so funny. I was actually thinking about this before we talked to you. I was wondering if whether or not we were going to talk about this, but like, the, the line between like, okay, I want to take the fall because I want to get used to falling and I want to get you better trusting my gear.

00:33:02:21 - 00:33:25:12
Speaker 2
And I want to like, if I'm gonna push it, then, like, I'm gonna need to fall sometimes. So it's like walking that line of, like, you know, like, don't be a pussy. The gear is good. Like, take the web or also like questioning, like, like, is it good? Am I going to hit the ground? You know?

00:33:25:14 - 00:33:46:18
Speaker 1
I was just going to say we've had this conversation recently because of my ankle injury. I just fell in the alpine, basically, hurt my ankle. But I think there is a time and a place to fall. And because I feel like falling is what helps you grow. Like you're pushing yourself, you're pushing the grades. You're doing a move that you didn't think was possible.

00:33:46:18 - 00:34:05:05
Speaker 1
And now, like you're trying it and whatever. I think falling is okay, but it's like there's a ledge below you and you're like, okay, I cannot fall here. So this is just like, not the time or whatever it is, just like you're constantly evaluating when is it appropriate. But I think, like, I think it's okay to fall on track and I don't mind it.

00:34:05:07 - 00:34:05:15
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:34:05:15 - 00:34:07:05
Speaker 2
I mean.

00:34:07:05 - 00:34:16:17
Speaker 1
me. To me. I feel like. So, would you agree with the statement that falling is the situation in climbing where you get hurt?

00:34:18:20 - 00:34:28:19
Speaker 2
I mean, I think it's, I mean, yeah, totally. I mean, I think that's like pretty much the only, not the only, you know, but that's the main way you're going to get hurt is by taking falls for sure.

00:34:28:19 - 00:34:31:08
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:49:17 - 00:36:01:05
Speaker 3
Right.

00:36:25:01 - 00:36:30:13
Speaker 3
Sure.

00:36:30:15 - 00:36:41:19
Speaker 3
Right.

00:36:41:21 - 00:36:45:11
Speaker 3
Right.

00:37:09:09 - 00:37:12:21
Speaker 3
Yeah, right.

00:37:38:23 - 00:37:40:16
Speaker 3
Yeah. Not.

00:37:40:18 - 00:37:57:10
Speaker 1
I like I like that because, like, what is sending anyways? Like why? Like why do we feel like we have to send something like it's okay to take, like, whatever. Who cares? Yeah. Like no one's judging you. Like, you don't have a panel of judges below you like giving you the score in your climb like, yeah, no, I like that mindset.

00:37:57:10 - 00:38:00:15
Speaker 1
Actually. That's like actually a good, good outlook on it.

00:38:00:17 - 00:38:23:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. I think we're like again, for me it's still a little bit of like a line, you know, because it's all it's circumstantial. Right. Like if I mean just a crazy example, if I have like five number twos below me and, you know, and I'm crushing out, like, I'm probably going to take the fall because, like, I know the gear is bomber.

00:38:23:04 - 00:38:28:15
Speaker 2
Like, I've got plenty of pieces below me and like, the I don't know, I guess there's something.

00:38:28:21 - 00:38:29:17
Speaker 1
It's kind of fun.

00:38:29:17 - 00:38:44:01
Speaker 2
It's fun to like, fall. It's like part of the experience. Like, I mean, it's not fun, obviously, to get hurt, which I'm sure we'll talk about, but.

00:38:44:03 - 00:38:49:06
Speaker 1
Okay, I see you're saying I see. Yeah.

00:38:49:08 - 00:38:50:05
Speaker 3
Well,

00:38:50:05 - 00:38:54:11
Speaker 1
I'm okay with putting myself in a situation where, okay, I'm going to try to execute

00:38:55:22 - 00:39:03:22
Speaker 3
Yeah. And.

00:39:04:00 - 00:39:05:16
Speaker 3
Yeah I think yeah.

00:39:11:13 - 00:39:13:09
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:39:13:11 - 00:39:15:12
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00:39:15:14 - 00:39:16:06
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:39:16:08 - 00:39:37:11
Speaker 2
Yeah. I think if you put it that way after the experience we've been through with the injury and all that and how she hasn't climbed in, what, four months, four months now. Yeah I think like that's kind of what we figure it out is like I mean sometimes you're going to fall totally unexpectedly. Yeah. And like there's nothing you can do about that.

00:39:37:13 - 00:39:57:11
Speaker 2
But if you're at a point where, like, you can plug a cam and like either take on it or even just grab on it, you know, French fry on it, just to keep yourself from taking like a big whip or something. I totally agree. I think like there's no pride in taking like a big whip just just because you're prideful, you know?

00:39:57:13 - 00:40:07:23
Speaker 2
So yeah, in that case, I mean, I agree again, I still feel like it's a little bit circumstantial. If I'm like in the alpine, then I wouldn't. But if I'm like at a roadside car, I don't know it. Just again, sometimes.

00:40:10:18 - 00:40:12:17
Speaker 2
Yet I like how you say yet.

00:40:12:19 - 00:40:13:15
Speaker 1
No. Put that on him.

00:40:13:15 - 00:40:34:14
Speaker 2
No. But though, because let's know. Well, what's funny is we posted a video about Victoria's ankle injury and some somebody was basically saying that, like, you, I forget exactly what he said, what he basically was saying, like you shouldn't get hurt. And I was like, okay, like, find me a climber who's never gotten hurt climbing and I'll be shocked.

00:40:34:14 - 00:40:44:19
Speaker 2
So the fact that you say, like, I'm sure, but it's very rare. But no, nothing.

00:40:44:21 - 00:40:50:23
Speaker 3
Totally.

00:40:51:00 - 00:40:52:03
Speaker 3
Yeah, I think so.

00:40:52:04 - 00:41:11:13
Speaker 1
You say you watched our video of of my fall. Okay, so you saw. Well, so I'll just tell you, like what? How it went. But, we're on pitch number four of our first climb in Germany. And, like, we were so stoked to be in Shamone. Like, that's like why we traveled to Europe is to go climb out there and in the blank, massive.

00:41:11:17 - 00:41:30:15
Speaker 1
And anyways, we're on pitch four, and I was like this beautiful left leaning finger crack. And I was crushing it. And the finger locks were so amazing and like, the exposure was wild and I was like, just at the lip of, like getting past a finger crack. And I was like, I think I could just run it out and I'll just get over this spot because I was like already getting painful.

00:41:30:15 - 00:41:46:16
Speaker 1
So I was running. I'll just get over. And then I just like had it in my head that I was just going to run it out. And then I was maybe like 5ft or 8ft above my last piece, and I was like down to the right of me. And I just got so pumped and I couldn't find a handhold.

00:41:46:16 - 00:42:02:22
Speaker 1
Like my feet were kind of missing. And like, I just like, you know, I'm just tired. I'm just going to take the fall when now I'm kind of lucky that we have the video because I can kind of see where everything went wrong. And so now I know, like because it is a huge learning experience for me. But now I know.

00:42:03:00 - 00:42:26:07
Speaker 1
But I took the fall and I just kind of like rotated towards my last piece and my left foot caught onto the wall before, like, I completely, before the rope stretched. Yeah. And, and and it just rotated my ankle inwards and, Yeah, that's that's how I heard it. But with that being said, it's like I could have totally just plugged a piece and like, hung on it and I would have been totally fine.

00:42:26:08 - 00:42:48:04
Speaker 1
So. Yeah. And my, my lesson is, don't fall on the alpine because, you know, rescue services are far, and it's just not the time to take big whips. Like, it's not the time to, like, push your limits out in the alpine when it's like, there's a lot of risk involved. So, yeah, I mean, just learning all around this past four months of being injured.

00:42:48:05 - 00:42:49:00
Speaker 3
But yeah.

00:42:49:02 - 00:42:54:01
Speaker 2
You watch the video 100 times and you're like, damn. Like, I should have down climbed a little bit or something.

00:42:54:01 - 00:43:15:07
Speaker 1
Yeah, I do, I do beat myself up though, because I, I gave up like I was just like, oh, there was a hand drama like right there or, you know, I just like, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. I was so desperate. It was so bad. But.

00:43:15:09 - 00:43:17:03
Speaker 1
Yeah. Right. No, I,

00:43:17:05 - 00:43:32:14
Speaker 2
It's like like, well, like you were saying, it's one of those things where you're, like, so pumped out. It's like, can I even grab the piece off my harness and that's where I was getting to the point. It's like, okay, well, down climb a move or two like or something to to make the fall a little bit less.

00:43:32:16 - 00:43:44:10
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:43:44:10 - 00:43:49:09
Speaker 1
a little bit and then maybe I can take on the piece or down, climb a little bit and I can like, you know, take a smaller whip.

00:43:49:09 - 00:43:50:08
Speaker 1
I was just like, let

00:43:50:08 - 00:43:55:08
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:43:55:10 - 00:43:58:16
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:58:16 - 00:44:01:09
Speaker 1
I mean, I don't know, you're crushing it, so that's true.

00:44:01:11 - 00:44:15:20
Speaker 2
You are crushing. But to be fair, I don't think I would have said, like, oh, just gotta trust my gear above. Like, what, two peanuts or something? I would have been like.

00:44:15:22 - 00:44:20:00
Speaker 2
Yeah, right. That. Yeah, I guess.

00:44:20:02 - 00:44:27:21
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:27:23 - 00:44:28:20
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:44:28:20 - 00:44:41:01
Speaker 1
I. And maybe this is a limiting belief and I don't want to put this on anybody, but I truly believe that you don't really know. I don't think you can actually say this piece is 100%

00:44:42:10 - 00:44:48:01
Speaker 3
No.

00:44:59:19 - 00:45:05:11
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:45:13:05 - 00:45:16:03
Speaker 2
Right.

00:45:37:21 - 00:45:41:18
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:57:10 - 00:45:58:15
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:58:17 - 00:46:05:18
Speaker 2
I mean, I agree, like, with I mean, with the gear thing. I think about this all the time. It's like you place a bomber piece, but as soon as you climb above it.

00:46:05:19 - 00:46:07:02
Speaker 1
You don't know what happens to it.

00:46:07:03 - 00:46:20:01
Speaker 2
It's like once you don't have eyes on it anymore, it's like you, you know, it's one of those, what's the thing where the cat's in the box? It's like you don't know if it's dead or alive. You know, it's like as soon as you pass it, it's like you don't know if if that piece is still a bit or not.

00:46:20:01 - 00:46:34:21
Speaker 2
I mean, ideally, right? If you extended it and you did everything right, it should still be where you left it. But you know, how many times is that not the case, you know? Or you start to climb past it and you, you watch it rotate and you're like, oh, I need to like replace that.

00:46:34:21 - 00:46:41:15
Speaker 1
But you climb faster, not no use. Watch it come out of the wall or like, oh, that's not good.

00:46:41:17 - 00:46:45:14
Speaker 3
Yeah. For sure.

00:46:45:14 - 00:47:03:09
Speaker 1
I think that the general narrative in the climbing community is like very much I don't know like normalizing the risk or suppressing the amount of risk or like I don't know what exactly it is. And I get it like climbing is, is very much steeped in this like, hubris mentality.

00:47:03:11 - 00:47:14:08
Speaker 1
And it's definitely a part of the sport. But I think as is more of us, you know, start to, to digest this sport and go after it, there's a lot of us that have full time jobs and lives and things that depend

00:47:16:05 - 00:47:25:15
Speaker 3
Right. Yeah.

00:47:36:23 - 00:47:46:12
Speaker 3
Yeah. Right.

00:47:46:14 - 00:47:49:08
Speaker 3
Right? Yeah.

00:47:49:10 - 00:47:55:03
Speaker 1
Yeah. There's a balance that needs to be hand between risk taking and taking the fall and all that.

00:47:55:04 - 00:47:56:06
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:47:58:05 - 00:48:00:23
Speaker 1
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Speaker 2
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00:48:05:14 - 00:48:12:10
Speaker 1
Well, nice. It seems like a great place to to let's let's traverse into, the Matterhorn. So

00:48:12:10 - 00:48:17:07
Speaker 1
in the, in the documentary, which was such, beautifully shot, experience,

00:48:17:07 - 00:48:22:00
Speaker 2
Can I just say thank you for calling it a documentary and not a vlog?

00:48:22:01 - 00:48:28:08
Speaker 3
Not a walk? Thank you.

00:48:47:03 - 00:48:49:02
Speaker 2
Thank you.

00:49:07:13 - 00:49:08:07
Speaker 2
Do you want to answer?

00:49:08:10 - 00:49:29:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. So our friends Isabelle and Century, we're planning on climbing the Matterhorn. Like, that was like their bucket list climb. And we're like the Matterhorn was. It's like, never on our list of climbs that we wanted to do. And so we're like, oh, our our friends are going to do it. Like we'll just go in and do it with them and they're like, yeah, it's five for like it should be easy or whatever.

00:49:29:09 - 00:49:39:09
Speaker 1
And then like we did our research and like the first thing that comes up on the Matterhorn is like 500 people have died. It's his first ascent and it's like one of the deadliest mountains in the world. Like, what are we getting into?

00:49:39:11 - 00:49:58:11
Speaker 2
Well, I she was was pretty, like, on board and was like, yeah, we're going to climb the Matterhorn five four. Like, should be fine. And like I started looking into it and I'm like, I'm just like, we honestly could die. Like, everybody here is crazy. Like you're crazy. Our friends are crazy. Like, nobody realizes that, like, people get killed on this mountain.

00:49:58:11 - 00:50:13:21
Speaker 2
Like, oh, like four people or five people a year, you know, like, imagine if you went out to a trad climb and they were like, oh, five people die on this climb every year. You'd be like, what? No. Like, I'm not going to climb that, you know? So yeah, it was I don't know, it was just kind of happened.

00:50:13:21 - 00:50:19:00
Speaker 2
I never really wanted to do it, even up to like the day before, I still was like.

00:50:19:01 - 00:50:19:18
Speaker 3
Yeah, I.

00:50:19:18 - 00:50:32:03
Speaker 2
Don't know. Again, we, we kind of touched on this, but like the mountaineering aspect has never really been like a big appeal. Like I'd much rather be on like a vertical face, you know? Yeah.

00:50:32:03 - 00:50:49:00
Speaker 1
With the push to, to do the Matterhorn was probably our friends and, and doing research on the Matterhorn and it being like the most iconic mountain in the world, we're like, okay, we can make a film about this. Like we can make a film just about the Matterhorn because it's so amazing. So that's kind of where it led.

00:50:49:00 - 00:50:55:04
Speaker 1
you say your. Your passion for this objective was mostly driven for the film or as a climber?

00:50:56:14 - 00:50:58:16
Speaker 2
I mean, for sure as a climber, like, I mean.

00:50:58:17 - 00:51:03:08
Speaker 1
The mountain itself, like, it's so esthetics or like we have to get on this thing like it's so beautiful.

00:51:03:10 - 00:51:23:00
Speaker 2
Yeah. I don't, I mean, besides Everest or, I don't maybe K2, like, what's, what's the one mountain that, like, my mom, it's kind of know about, you know, it's like the Matterhorn. You know, it's either Everest or the Matterhorn. So, like, I just think, like, the iconic status of it and like the history of it, which is pretty wild.

00:51:23:02 - 00:51:39:10
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, it's a very appealing mountain. I was just I was very much team like. I don't think we can do this, because, like, it, I mean, it just it just seemed like, really gnarly, you know?

00:51:39:12 - 00:51:47:20
Speaker 1
Yeah. I live my life, pretty carefree. But that's why we're married. Because he keeps me in check. It's a good balance.

00:51:50:07 - 00:51:50:13
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:51:50:13 - 00:52:10:02
Speaker 2
But, Yeah, I mean, it was. I mean, definitely a climbing objective, for sure. Like, because of what we do. I mean, like, making films is our job. And so it's always like, what do we want to go climb? That's also going to be a cool film, you know? And the fact that we were going to be in Europe, we were going to be in Switzerland.

00:52:10:02 - 00:52:23:23
Speaker 2
And like everything just kind of lined up and and we had friends that were going, you know, we weren't we weren't necessarily doing it by ourselves. Just, I mean, made it.

00:52:24:01 - 00:52:25:04
Speaker 3
Know we had.

00:52:25:06 - 00:52:39:17
Speaker 2
We knew we wanted to go to Europe. And so kind of when we started making those plans, it was like Simone was like number one, like we wanted to go climb in Germany. And it was like, okay, well, what else can we do? And then our friends brought up the fact that, like, oh, hey, we're going to go climb the Matterhorn.

00:52:39:17 - 00:52:43:07
Speaker 2
And I'm like, okay, I had I had literally never considered that. But

00:52:43:08 - 00:52:44:21
Speaker 1
Were they out there with you?

00:52:46:12 - 00:52:47:03
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:52:47:05 - 00:52:54:12
Speaker 1
Yeah. So the day that we climbed, they, they were with us, but they turned around pretty soon in the beginning because.

00:52:54:14 - 00:52:57:06
Speaker 2
There was like some lightning in the distance and like, they.

00:52:57:11 - 00:53:05:05
Speaker 1
They're a little bit slower. And so they're like, yeah, today's not our day. Like, we're just going to turn around. So we're like, okay, we're going to try to do it. And so we met up with them later.

00:53:05:05 - 00:53:07:05
Speaker 3
But yeah.

00:53:07:09 - 00:53:25:18
Speaker 1
In terms of, like. So this mountain has this law, right? And there's kind of like this risk built around it. Like, how serious was that risk in your guys's head before the, like the day before. And then also, did you have anybody in the town that was like, trying to talk you out of

00:53:26:04 - 00:53:43:10
Speaker 1
Oh my gosh, that's so funny that you ask that. Okay. We were walking around town, that is. And someone had noticed us from like our YouTube channel and they were like, oh, like, what are you guys doing here? Like, oh, we're going to go climb the Matterhorn. And he was like, oh, did you guys hear about the. It was like three people that died last weekend.

00:53:43:10 - 00:53:54:11
Speaker 1
We're like, no. And so like he's like, I've heard a lot of things about it. It seems pretty horrible. Like. Yeah. So yes, we did have people tell us that like, yeah, it's pretty dangerous.

00:53:54:11 - 00:54:18:01
Speaker 2
That's pretty. Yeah. Interesting that you asked that because, yeah, we were just walking through town and like like she said, some guy does recognize us. And maybe that should have been like a clue of like, don't like if a guy who lives here basically is telling you, like, oh, maybe you shouldn't. But I don't know. I mean, we, we were I think we said this in the film too, like, we were never really like we got to get to the top, you know?

00:54:18:01 - 00:54:34:10
Speaker 2
So I was always like, I'll bail after the first ten minutes if I think like, something bad is going to happen. And so we had that mindset the whole way, like every 30 minutes we were checking in, you know, like, hey, like, do you want to turn around? How are you feeling? You're feeling good. Like all that stuff.

00:54:34:10 - 00:54:39:19
Speaker 2
But what was that? What? I'm sorry. What was the first part of your question you asked?

00:54:39:18 - 00:54:48:17
Speaker 1
risk in your head like how, like, I guess was there like, was it bad enough to the point where you guys were like, I don't know if we even

00:54:52:01 - 00:54:58:12
Speaker 1
the vision in your head of like what it was going to be like, like, was it just like this terrible, risky thing that you were trying to go after?

00:54:58:12 - 00:55:02:02
Speaker 1
Like, what was the mental picture that you guys were painting in your head?

00:55:02:02 - 00:55:05:05
Speaker 1
No, I mean.

00:55:05:07 - 00:55:05:14
Speaker 3
Single.

00:55:05:14 - 00:55:07:00
Speaker 2
Say no. I'll say.

00:55:07:00 - 00:55:08:19
Speaker 1
You. You answered.

00:55:08:21 - 00:55:35:08
Speaker 2
Yeah. So that again, like, I, I mean, I felt like I was taking crazy pills because all my friends were like, oh, we got this. But, like me, like, meanwhile some guy had, like, literally just died and in, like, we're in the hut, like, we're about to go climate the next day, literally watching videos on YouTube of like other people who have climbed it, just trying to get that last minute beater and I'm like, okay, I'm over here taking crazy pills.

00:55:35:08 - 00:55:43:20
Speaker 2
Like I'm scared, like I'm ready to bail, basically. And but they're all teaming up on me now. We got this.

00:55:43:21 - 00:55:47:02
Speaker 1
Well, what about Colby? Did you think was like, not. Nah.

00:55:47:04 - 00:56:05:04
Speaker 2
I just thought I thought we were, like, in a little over our heads because, like, we, again, we're not really mountaineers, you know, this is like, full on, like crampons, ice ice ax, like mountaineering boots. Like, I had never climbed in mountaineering boots before, you know.

00:56:05:06 - 00:56:09:00
Speaker 2
It's. Yeah, it's.

00:56:09:02 - 00:56:11:08
Speaker 2
Totally. Yeah. I feel the rock at all.

00:56:11:10 - 00:56:12:06
Speaker 3
Yes.

00:56:12:06 - 00:56:25:23
Speaker 1
Yeah yeah yeah yeah. We I guess this was like our first mountaineering experience. So, like having if we had like, more experienced prior, I think we might have been a little bit more confident.

00:56:26:01 - 00:56:47:02
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean it's it's like a proper mountain, you know, there's 150 people are trying to do it every day. And like, you know, there's a line of headlamps in the morning, like it definitely has, you know, Everest vibes. It's not Everest, but it's like there's that ominous like kind of sketchy factor to it that you don't really get at.

00:56:47:02 - 00:56:50:15
Speaker 2
Like, you know, a mountain in the Sierra or something. That's.

00:56:50:17 - 00:56:51:00
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:56:51:02 - 00:56:53:01
Speaker 2
You know, it's way more intense for sure.

00:56:53:07 - 00:57:15:00
Speaker 1
Yeah. And I would say, like that whole trip to Zermatt and the Matterhorn was and you can see it in the film too, but it was kind of surrounded by death. Like that was kind of the story of that whole experience for us. Yeah, yeah. Like so in the town of Zermatt, there's the cemetery of all the climbers that have died in the mountains around the Mont.

00:57:15:02 - 00:57:30:23
Speaker 1
So like that was in our heads. And then we hiked up to the hut the night before, and a guide and his client had died that same day. So we're like, okay, like, so that was like depression or had that like, okay, like people are actually dying here, like doing this thing that we want to do. Like this is a real possibility.

00:57:30:23 - 00:57:43:09
Speaker 1
Like, and like all the times you go out into the mountains, we don't even think that like death is a possibility. So like the Matterhorn was definitely an eye opening experience for us. Like, okay, like this actually happens. Like this could happen.

00:57:43:11 - 00:57:53:23
Speaker 3
Yeah.

00:57:54:01 - 00:58:00:03
Speaker 3
Totally.

00:58:00:05 - 00:58:10:20
Speaker 3
And. Yeah.

00:58:10:22 - 00:58:27:11
Speaker 1
We're on the same page as you. We love to. Just like being that remote area with nobody around. So it was like a different experience. But I would also say it was it was kind of cool because everyone from all around the world is there. So we're like talking to different types of climbers and building relationships with different people.

00:58:27:11 - 00:58:35:01
Speaker 1
So that was cool. But like trying to climb a mountain at the same time as everybody else. Yeah, that was not really fun for sure.

00:58:35:03 - 00:58:54:17
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, it makes it like a totally different I mean, it just adds a whole nother element, right? Like, unfortunately, I didn't get this on camera, but somebody dropped, like, you know, a beach ball size rock, like, over our heads and it's, and it's, you know, it's because there's just so many people in the mountains kind of a hospital anyways.

00:58:54:19 - 00:58:58:08
Speaker 2
And so we're like, ducking underneath this cliff like.

00:58:58:08 - 00:58:58:20
Speaker 1
Ten other.

00:58:58:20 - 00:58:59:16
Speaker 2
People, and we're.

00:58:59:16 - 00:59:01:00
Speaker 1
All like, ducking.

00:59:01:02 - 00:59:19:00
Speaker 2
Yeah. And we just have, like, rocks flying over our heads and like. So that aspect is like, obviously makes it way more intense and like, you're, you're a little bit more at the mercy of, like a bunch of people that you don't know about and like a bunch of, you know, people who don't climb mountains at all, that they just paid a bunch of money to a guide to, like, drag them up, you know?

00:59:19:00 - 00:59:21:03
Speaker 2
And so.

00:59:21:05 - 00:59:22:15
Speaker 1
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:22:17 - 00:59:47:20
Speaker 2
So we can definitely get into like, all the logistics and everything if you want to talk about that. But yeah, like the other people definitely adds a little bit more to like the intensity and the danger and like just, you know, the whole thing. You're part of the reason that like, spoiler alert that we didn't summit is because, like, you know, we're stuck behind other people for like an hour that are just moving way too slow.

00:59:47:20 - 01:00:04:03
Speaker 2
But like, you know, going off route or whatever is not really an option. And so, you know, we also don't know where we're going. And so you don't want to be that guy that's like, hey, can I pass? And then you're slowing everybody down. So you're just kind of you're kind of dealing with that, you know, that human factor a little bit more.

01:00:04:03 - 01:00:19:18
Speaker 2
But that's the reality of like wanting to climb these really iconic mountains is like, you know, they're all going to be like that. Yeah.

01:00:19:20 - 01:00:26:05
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01:00:26:06 - 01:00:32:17
Speaker 3
It's crazy. Yeah.

01:00:32:19 - 01:00:37:16
Speaker 1
Oh my gosh. Is. Yeah. That is not. Yeah. That's wild.

01:00:37:16 - 01:00:46:19
Speaker 1
yeah, the people, the people aspect to me really would rub me the wrong way. Like I saw that shot of like everybody climbing the ladder and standing in line. Isaac. Like we had Disneyland,

01:00:46:18 - 01:00:49:23
Speaker 3
yeah. Right.

01:00:58:16 - 01:01:01:11
Speaker 3
Yeah. Totally.

01:01:12:21 - 01:01:37:11
Speaker 2
Yeah it is. And like again, it's it's not a preference for us. Like I would much rather not but like I mean there are other routes on the Matterhorn, having ever been there before and all that, we wanted to take the easiest, most popular, you know, so there are ways to avoid the people. But in that case, it's, you know, that's like a once in a lifetime thing.

01:01:37:11 - 01:01:47:21
Speaker 2
It's like, I would rather not be standing in this line, but at the same time, like, how crazy cool is this experience? Even just to be there with all the people is, is like, can be cool in a way, you know?

01:01:47:21 - 01:02:09:00
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:09:02 - 01:02:22:14
Speaker 1
Yeah. You know, like when you go to a climb and you, like, just feel that anxiousness, like you haven't climbed on it. Yeah. You don't know what to expect, and you feel like you're just feeling anxious. And then once you start climbing, you're just like, oh, yeah. Like, I know how to do this. Like, this is fine.

01:02:22:14 - 01:02:25:14
Speaker 1
That's kind of exactly what it felt like for me at least.

01:02:25:14 - 01:02:41:02
Speaker 2
Yeah, I think I even said that after, like you said, the latter, you know, with all the headlamps and like, there's a couple fixed lines and stuff. And I think once we got past that area, I definitely felt like my mood changed. And I'm like, okay, like, this is just like climbing, you know, I've I've done this before basically.

01:02:41:04 - 01:02:45:07
Speaker 2
So yeah, I think.

01:02:45:09 - 01:02:46:05
Speaker 1
Oh yeah.

01:02:46:05 - 01:02:46:17
Speaker 3
For sure.

01:02:46:22 - 01:02:48:12
Speaker 1
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

01:02:48:12 - 01:03:09:11
Speaker 2
I mean traveling in the dark, that's like a whole nother thing that we weren't again, like in mountaineering boots and like all these things that we're not really super experienced with. Plus the route finding on the Matterhorn just in general is like very tricky. There's like, kind of goat paths that go all different directions. And so trying to navigate that in the dark, is tough too.

01:03:09:11 - 01:03:20:10
Speaker 2
But yeah, I feel like once we kind of got our, you know, got our feet under us and stuff, it was like felt way more comfortable and and like doable. You know, we never once felt like we totally couldn't do it.

01:03:20:12 - 01:03:21:08
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:03:21:10 - 01:03:27:12
Speaker 2
I would say though, some of the climbing, some of the like climbing on the route felt more like 5 or 6.

01:03:27:12 - 01:03:28:18
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, I would say so.

01:03:28:19 - 01:03:35:01
Speaker 2
Like there's definitely like some vertical, like climbing unprotected. Unprotected like in your boots, you know, so like.

01:03:35:03 - 01:03:36:16
Speaker 3
You know. Yeah.

01:03:36:18 - 01:03:37:22
Speaker 2
Can be sketchy for sure.

01:03:38:02 - 01:03:39:03
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:03:39:05 - 01:03:45:02
Speaker 1
Not it was lot the hang on climb. Yeah. That's a climb.

01:03:45:03 - 01:04:02:07
Speaker 1
in terms of your, you know if you guys watched the film, anybody listening to watch the film, you know you guys, you guys did turn around. And I think that, you know, it's really important that you guys shared that I think that, you know, certain creators could have totally just, like, watched the film and just been like, I'm not sharing this because, you know, we didn't send.

01:04:02:07 - 01:04:19:03
Speaker 1
So, again, I commend you guys for, for sharing that, that story. And I think, you know, it seems like everybody, in the comment section is in agreeance as well. It's just like, you know, commending you guys for for sharing the experience because it's important, you know, like, again, you know, I bring this back to the whole, you know, the climbing majority thing.

01:04:19:03 - 01:04:42:07
Speaker 1
It's like there's so much narrative out there about sending and about getting up these routes and stuff, and we don't really talk about like the process of getting there. And we, I, you know, I interviewed my buddy Josh, who had climbed the Matterhorn as well. And the first time he went up, he bailed too, you know, and he went back down and he went to Europe to climb the Matterhorn and bailed on it, and then came back and sent it like two years later.

01:04:42:09 - 01:05:00:09
Speaker 1
And so, like, it's just important to share the process. And so, you know, thank you for, for, for giving that to the community in that way. In terms of that decision itself, like, you guys kind of said, you guys were doing like 30 minute check ins, like, you know, who brought it up first? How did that decision actually manifest itself?

01:05:00:09 - 01:05:19:02
Speaker 1
Because it seemed like you, you know, in the film you said, you know, we ran out of time. But it seems like there might be more to that kind of decision because, you know, it is a hard decision. You know, getting to that point and being 1000ft from the summit and just like choosing to turn around, like, talk to us about, like kind of the details

01:05:19:02 - 01:05:50:00
Speaker 1
Yeah. So, I mean, again, for us, it was, like, pretty easy to make that decision. We, like you had mentioned. I mean, just to give you, like, a brief logistics of the matter. And so people kind of understand the whole, like, running out of time aspect is you stay in a hut, like at the base of the Matterhorn called the Hawley Hut, which is where everybody who's planning on climbing the next day, unless you're a total badass and you're hiking in from town, everybody's going to be staying in this hut.

01:05:50:02 - 01:06:12:05
Speaker 1
And so the way it works is the guides stay in there, all the clients stay in there, and then people like us who are unguided are also staying, but they kind of have it locked down to where, like the guides get to leave the hut first thing in the morning before everybody else. So like the local guides go first and then you have like foreign guides and then everybody who's unguided gets to go.

01:06:12:05 - 01:06:28:19
Speaker 1
And so you're already like 100 people are ahead of you before you even start, basically. And so that kind of goes back to like you're in a traffic jam and you're waiting for people and all this stuff, and you don't know the route, right? Because all the the guides are already gone, like they know exactly where they're going.

01:06:28:21 - 01:06:46:06
Speaker 1
And so it's just you and a bunch of people who have never been there before, like trying to find the route. And so, yeah, we kind of wasted a lot of time in the morning, just like route finding and, you know, staying behind slow people just, you know, wondering, like, maybe they know where they're going. And so we'll just stay behind them.

01:06:46:08 - 01:06:59:07
Speaker 1
So we just kind of kept checking the time and they have, like some markers kind of on the way up or like, I think you want to get to the Solvay. There's like another hut, like halfway up. It's like an emergency shelter that you want to get there.

01:06:59:07 - 01:07:00:16
Speaker 2
I'm like 630 or something.

01:07:00:16 - 01:07:15:19
Speaker 1
Yeah. So in like two hours, basically you want to be there. And we were like already pretty behind schedule on that by the time we got there. And so we were just going to kind of keep climbing until, you know, it didn't feel like we were going to make it basically.

01:07:15:21 - 01:07:30:11
Speaker 2
Well, also the, the weather. So like the weather forecast that day was for our afternoon, storm. So we knew that like, okay, like we need to be, like coming down off the mountain before noon, at least. And, like, it just we just weren't.

01:07:30:13 - 01:07:49:18
Speaker 1
Yeah. We just knew. So it was it was a combination of, like, there wasn't enough time to get all the way to the top and then all the way back down, you know, to the ground before, like, clouds and storms rolled in and things like that. But on top of that, all, like the guides had already summited. And so they were coming down.

01:07:49:20 - 01:08:05:15
Speaker 1
And this is kind of in the area where, like you need to put on your crampons, you need to break out your ice ax. And like, everybody's kind of coming down the same path. So we would have just ran into like, you know, kind of a shit show with just all the congestion coming down as we were trying to go up.

01:08:05:17 - 01:08:27:01
Speaker 1
And so I think that for me was like where I was like, this is fine. We can turn around because it's like now, like it's getting like really serious. Like, this is where you slide off the side of the mountain and you end up on the glacier down below, like so. It just wasn't worth, like trying to deal with, like passing all the people and again, with the crampons and the ice ax and everything like that.

01:08:27:01 - 01:08:38:12
Speaker 1
So we, you know, we just made the decision that we didn't think we had enough time. And so we knew by the time we got down, it was going to be pretty close to when those storms were supposed to come in.

01:08:38:12 - 01:08:40:03
Speaker 3
So yeah.

01:08:40:05 - 01:08:56:15
Speaker 2
But it was like like Cody was saying like it's it was an easy decision for us because we were never tied to getting to the summit. Like, that wasn't like if we got to the summit, cool. It's not like we were totally cool with it. So like we're like, okay, you know, we had a really good time. Like, none of us are dead.

01:08:56:17 - 01:09:05:03
Speaker 2
Like, let's just go, go down while we can and while we're still healthy and like, like it was it was still a good experience no matter what. Like.

01:09:05:04 - 01:09:22:11
Speaker 1
So yeah, it was I mean, super fun and, you know, we, I had in my mind the whole time to just thinking like all of those little five, six sections that we had climbed up, I'm like, okay, we got to down climb those two. So like it's probably going to take us longer to go down, which I think it ended up taking us.

01:09:22:11 - 01:09:30:14
Speaker 1
Yeah, like quite a while. So yeah. But again, like for me personally I was like well I'm still alive. So I'm happy, you know, everybody else thought this was going to be it.

01:09:30:16 - 01:09:31:06
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:09:31:09 - 01:09:55:08
Speaker 1
Everybody thought this was a cakewalk. And like I'm over here being like, this is tough, you know. So yeah, it was it was like she said easy decision. I'm not we're not like peak baggers at all. Like, I don't care about getting to the top of anything. You know, even with regular trad climbing or whatever. It's like I'll climb five pitches and rap down, you know, if it's if it doesn't make sense or it's the timing or whatever.

01:09:55:08 - 01:10:02:15
Speaker 1
Like I don't have to get to the top of anything. So yeah, I mean.

01:10:02:17 - 01:10:06:06
Speaker 1
Yeah. Got to take a fall, but you don't have to get to the top.

01:10:06:08 - 01:10:07:12
Speaker 2
Don't have to get to the top.

01:10:07:14 - 01:10:10:14
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:10:10:15 - 01:10:21:23
Speaker 1
that makes sense, guys. Yeah, totally. It's cool. That was like, just an easy decision. I could totally see a situation where, like, you know, Cody's like, dude, I don't want to do it. And Victoria, just like, we got to go. We got to go. What are you

01:10:22:23 - 01:10:26:03
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

01:10:39:13 - 01:10:44:14
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:10:44:16 - 01:10:49:05
Speaker 3
Right. Yeah.

01:10:49:07 - 01:11:15:16
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, I think I, I think two things on that topic was like number one, we were more stoked on going to Germany. And so I'm like, you know, the Matterhorn was kind of just a bonus. But also I think not only because we're like, you know, in a relationship, but just being a good partner, right? As we maybe an hour before we bailed, we like paused and had a conversation and it was like, hey, it's either one of us feels like we want to turn around, then like we'll like we'll turn around.

01:11:15:18 - 01:11:32:05
Speaker 1
You know, there's no like, we're just going to do it. If you feel like sketched out. I have no pride in, like trying to get to the top. So, like, just tell me that you're feeling sketch and we'll turn around. And so I think that communication is part and that's, you know, goes back to the whole like having a good partner that you trust and that you connect with.

01:11:32:05 - 01:11:39:10
Speaker 1
And you guys are on the same page. That's probably like the most important thing that you can do in your climbing career, I think is like, have somebody that you vibe with, you know.

01:11:39:11 - 01:11:47:09
Speaker 3
Yeah, it's.

01:11:47:11 - 01:11:50:01
Speaker 3
Well,

01:11:50:03 - 01:12:10:13
Speaker 1
I think what did I say specifically in the middle? I think we said probably never, mostly because like, I think if I'm going to like, spend the money and fly out, you know, I would just go do something else. Like, again, it's not a bucket list thing for me. If I ever found myself in Zermatt again, definitely. I would try it again for sure.

01:12:10:15 - 01:12:16:19
Speaker 1
But I just don't think it's like I would much rather go somewhere else and spend the money on something else. But I don't know. How do you though?

01:12:16:22 - 01:12:25:21
Speaker 2
Yeah, I, I agree. Yeah. Not our experience was like cool enough for me. Like, I don't feel like I need to stand on top of that mountain.

01:12:25:23 - 01:12:30:12
Speaker 1
But if I ever get a free trip, I definitely. We're time again.

01:12:30:13 - 01:12:39:23
Speaker 1
investment versus the reward. Right. It's like you know. Oh if I'm there I'll try it again. But I'm not going to spend, you know a bunch of money and several weeks of my life to go out there to go redeem

01:12:41:02 - 01:12:41:15
Speaker 3
Exactly.

01:12:41:18 - 01:12:45:08
Speaker 2
Yeah. There's so many other mountains out there, too. It's like. It's fine.

01:12:45:10 - 01:12:49:02
Speaker 3
Yeah, there's.

01:12:49:04 - 01:13:06:03
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah. There's. I mean, a lifetime. And that was the plan originally until. Yeah, I got suckered in. And then our first freaking alpine climber in Germany. We get her, we fly on a helicopter, and, like,

01:13:06:05 - 01:13:10:03
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

01:13:10:03 - 01:13:32:18
Speaker 1
know, this is, a question that it sounds like we already have the answer to, but, like, was there any moment whether it was, like, on the way down, maybe this was personally felt in, like, you know, separate from your relationships, collective mindset of just, like, regret from the decision of bailing, like, did that feeling ever creep in at all, even for a.

01:13:32:18 - 01:13:33:01
Speaker 2
Moment?

01:13:35:22 - 01:13:53:18
Speaker 2
I mean, I guess if I'm being honest, our friends that bailed that morning, they went back actually, like a couple days after and the summit of the Matterhorn. And so at that point, I was like, man, that would have been like, we could have done it. We could have just went to the top for it, like, you know, but, that's probably the only moment.

01:13:53:20 - 01:13:57:16
Speaker 2
But, you know, when I got past that pretty quickly.

01:13:57:18 - 01:14:05:12
Speaker 1
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like for me, I mean, I think, of course, once you're down and you're safe and you're comfortable and you got your boots off.

01:14:05:14 - 01:14:07:15
Speaker 2
And you start reflecting, you're immediately telling.

01:14:07:15 - 01:14:24:22
Speaker 1
Yourself, like, shit, we could have, like, we could have made it, you know, like, yeah, like we probably would have been fine. But that that's when people get killed, right? Is when they're when they're like, oh, we'll probably be fine and then you're not fine. So. So yeah, I mean I definitely had that moment of like because we were so close.

01:14:24:22 - 01:14:25:16
Speaker 1
I think we showed it.

01:14:25:16 - 01:14:32:03
Speaker 2
Yeah. We show the clip. Yeah. You could literally like see the top of it. People are coming down. Yeah. We were really close.

01:14:32:05 - 01:14:33:18
Speaker 3
And.

01:14:33:20 - 01:14:44:08
Speaker 1
I mean I guess I still, I still now I'm wondering like we probably could have made it, but again, it's I just don't care that much, you know.

01:14:44:10 - 01:14:45:11
Speaker 3
Maybe.

01:14:45:13 - 01:14:49:16
Speaker 1
If it was like the nose or something and we and we bailed that I don't know. Yeah.

01:14:49:17 - 01:14:57:22
Speaker 2
We're like if we were training for this thing like for a year and like we've been dreaming of this thing. But it was so last minute like that. We weren't we just weren't tied to it.

01:14:57:23 - 01:15:12:15
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:15:12:17 - 01:15:20:16
Speaker 2
Right. Yeah.

01:15:20:18 - 01:15:32:18
Speaker 2
Yeah.

01:15:32:20 - 01:15:43:16
Speaker 2
Yes. Yeah. And it's not like it's not your identity either. Like getting to the summit isn't going to make me a whole person, you know, like. Yeah, I, I totally resonate with that.

01:15:43:18 - 01:15:44:02
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:15:44:07 - 01:16:13:23
Speaker 1
I think there, there may come a time or a project or something where I put in, you know, year, two years of effort, I think then that would mean a little more to me. And I think as climbers, like, a lot of people are going to have that or it's like that one thing where like, or maybe it is the nose or something, you know, and you whether you want to free it or aid climb it or whatever, you just want to get up to the top, you know, and so many people, they'll spend a night or two and then they bail.

01:16:13:23 - 01:16:30:03
Speaker 1
Right. And I feel like for me it's like, that's something I have to go back and like, yeah, you know, so it's everybody's going to have those goals where they feel like it's something they have to do before they die or whatever, you know? But for me, like the Matterhorn wasn't really that. And so.

01:16:30:03 - 01:16:49:19
Speaker 1
That's fair. Totally fair. To to trans to kind of shift this conversation into out of a climbing mindset to a filming mindset. Of the same objective. Do you feel like filming the objective played any role in the outcome of yours? And.

01:16:50:15 - 01:17:12:06
Speaker 1
Yes, I think I mean, obviously, right. Like, filming is going to slow you down, period. Because, you know, there's a lot of things that are quote unquote movie magic, right? It's like, oh, can you can you do that again? Or like, can you down, climb a little bit and climb back up or, you know, little things like that, that I mean, it's just it's, it's going to slow you down.

01:17:12:06 - 01:17:31:14
Speaker 1
And on something like the Matterhorn, you know, time is definitely of the essence. And so we run into that a lot. You know, a, a five pitch climb takes us a lot longer than it takes somebody else because we're messing with camera gear and we're, you know, hold on pause real quick so I can get the camera out and get a shot, things like that.

01:17:31:16 - 01:17:36:10
Speaker 1
Yeah, it definitely changes just the whole the flow of flow.

01:17:36:12 - 01:17:37:13
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:17:37:15 - 01:17:59:19
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic because not only are we climbers and athletes, but we're like trying to make this, this story happen, and we're trying to film and we're thinking about what the next shot is, but also we're like trying to survive in like we're trying to keep pace. And so yeah, there's a lot of there's just a lot of things that go into the whole filming aspect for us.

01:17:59:21 - 01:18:06:23
Speaker 1
Yeah. And you and I think again, that's when it can be tough with failing. Right. It's like, oh, I'm like, we've been filming.

01:18:06:23 - 01:18:10:05
Speaker 2
Yeah, we have to get to the top because we're filming here. We're making a movie.

01:18:10:06 - 01:18:41:11
Speaker 1
Yeah, like we've been filming for four days. We have all this footage and like, you know, this is like the climax. This is this, right? It's like, this is the story. And so that, I mean, we're pretty good at not letting that, you know, make us continue or make us put ourselves in danger or anything like that. But again, if it was something I'd been looking forward to for three years and I'd been training, like, would the camera have pushed me, you know, to try to go a little bit farther?

01:18:41:11 - 01:19:01:18
Speaker 1
I don't know, I like to think that it would end. But making films is our job. It's how we, you know, sustain ourselves. It's how we are able to go climbing. So, yeah, I definitely it changes things. We try not to let it get in the way. But it slows us down. I think that's like the biggest issue with making films about climbing.

01:19:01:20 - 01:19:06:22
Speaker 1
It just slows, like everything slows down. Pretty much.

01:19:06:22 - 01:19:26:18
Speaker 1
into kind of like what the experience is actually like. Because I think it's hard for people to understand how much work actually is. And so I'm interested in like even like your time in Zermatt, your time in the graveyard, your, your time hiking before the climb, like your time at the Hawley Hut.

01:19:26:18 - 01:19:48:05
Speaker 1
Like the difference between somebody up there just experiencing it versus someone who's up there shooting it is, is tremendously different. And so, like, are you up there and is like, are you on film or are you guys are just like, that's what you're doing pretty much 90% of the time? Or is it kind of just like, whenever I want to pull out the camera, like

01:19:48:05 - 01:19:52:18
Speaker 1
how how dedicate it, do you have to be to create something like you did for this

01:19:52:18 - 01:20:18:04
Speaker 1
I mean, to create something like we did. You. You definitely. I mean, you like, I'm on pretty much like I'm either looking through the camera or I'm looking for something that looks good on camera. I mean, we do have our moments, right? Where we can, like, relax. But even I don't know if this is in the film, but we sat down and, like, had dinner and like, I have footage of dinner, you know, like, I like, there's footage of everything.

01:20:18:04 - 01:20:38:00
Speaker 1
Because on a trip like this, you you can't really plan it, you know, you don't know what the weather's going to be like. You don't know if you're going to make it to the top. There's so many unknowns. And so it's kind of just like, okay, film everything. And then we'll kind of piece it together once we get home or once once we kind of know where things are going.

01:20:38:02 - 01:20:58:08
Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean, it's it's tough, but we we make it work. I mean, again, it is my job. So that's the thing is, like, everybody who's up there not filming it is like not working necessarily. Right? Like they're on vacation, they're focused on the climb and things like that. So for us it is a little bit of work, but,

01:20:58:10 - 01:21:22:05
Speaker 2
I think over, over the years, because we've been doing this for a since 2019, maybe earlier than that, we've just kind of figured out a balance between, like, when is it okay to like turn the camera off and like, just enjoy the moment? And then when is it time to, like, shoot? But even still, like we have, like the video in the back of our minds, like we're always thinking about, okay, what's the story here?

01:21:22:05 - 01:21:28:15
Speaker 2
Where's my next shot? Like, so like presents eludes us whenever we're shooting.

01:21:28:20 - 01:21:29:16
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:21:29:18 - 01:21:52:05
Speaker 1
It definitely does. That's that's maybe like our biggest gripe is like, yeah, I went to Zermatt and I attempted to climb the Matterhorn and I did all these cool things, but we were looking at a camera. I was halfway not there, you know what I'm saying? But, I mean, I love my job and what we get to do, and, and I, I mean, this I'm literally living the dream.

01:21:52:05 - 01:22:27:07
Speaker 1
I always have wanted to just, like, shoot action sports, like films and to make that my job. And so and honestly, I just love holding a camera, taking pictures, shooting video, things like that. So I don't mind it necessarily, but it definitely does like take away from the experience a little bit. But yeah, I mean, I guess to answer your question, we're all we're always on pretty much like, we'll, we'll pick those little moments where it's like, we don't need to film this, but but for the most part, like, like I said, even dinner, it's like, well, I'm like I'm always thinking, like, maybe I'll want a shot of dinner or something, you know?

01:22:29:11 - 01:22:32:07
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

01:22:32:07 - 01:22:42:05
Speaker 1
So but it is nice to, to have the footage. You never know what other film you're going to make or.

01:22:42:06 - 01:22:43:21
Speaker 1
Yeah, right. Exactly.

01:22:43:22 - 01:22:47:23
Speaker 1
What about the delicate balance of. So

01:22:47:22 - 01:23:05:13
Speaker 1
being a content creator is one thing. Being a content creator for yourself is a whole nother bag of spiders. So how do you guys manage that? How do you manage being the creator and the subject at the same time?

01:23:05:13 - 01:23:14:22
Speaker 1
Because this is something that I personally really struggle with. I love being behind a camera. I love creating content, but I hate

01:23:14:22 - 01:23:19:18
Speaker 3
I.

01:23:19:18 - 01:23:34:05
Speaker 1
being an actor or a subject and getting the shot at the same time. Like, are you guys able to manage that balance because you're shooting each other and you're able to be a creator and then be a subject separately at the same time?

01:23:34:05 - 01:23:41:00
Speaker 1
Or are you somehow hybrid Lee managing it all at once, and you guys have found some sort of balance?

01:23:42:08 - 01:23:50:10
Speaker 1
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01:23:52:12 - 01:24:12:18
Speaker 2
Can I be honest with you? We have this conversation, like, every single day. And it is very hard for us to film ourselves like, for years, it's been a struggle for us to do that. So, yeah, I don't know how other people do it. And no one has shared secrets with us, but it's it's definitely a struggle.

01:24:12:18 - 01:24:29:13
Speaker 2
Like just to be natural on camera, like, doesn't exist because it's like, you know, I'm filming you. So, like, say something and then it's like, whatever I say is going to be fake. It's not real. And we try to be as a, as a, as authentic as we can be. But it's not I mean, you.

01:24:29:14 - 01:24:52:15
Speaker 1
Know, you know that you're being filmed, right? It's not we've we've always contemplated the idea of hiring somebody to film us, because then it takes that aspect out of it. And her and I can just react naturally, you know, and no matter what that is, you know, sometimes, like, we'll have a little argument and it's like, I'm not going to film that, but I wish somebody was filming it.

01:24:52:17 - 01:25:17:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, but it's but like it would make a better story. You know, it's like where everything's not sunshine and rainbows and perfect, you know. So we do struggle with this. We always like, you know, we wonder, like how are other people doing it? And I think secretly everybody is struggling a little bit with it. I mean, we have a lot of quote unquote influencer friends.

01:25:17:11 - 01:25:40:11
Speaker 1
And so, you know, we talk off camera and everybody's like, oh, I hate being on camera. Like every single one of them, you know? So I don't think that like goes away. There are probably a select few people that are like really comfortable, totally like naturals. But for us it's a struggle. We always feel like, oh, I don't know what to say or like, you know, things like that.

01:25:40:13 - 01:25:51:09
Speaker 1
But I think over the years, like we're getting better at it and we're the more and more we can just, like, chip away at, like, anything that doesn't feel authentic to us, it it gets easier and better.

01:25:52:04 - 01:26:07:17
Speaker 2
I would say like the, the, the times where we flow the best, like we're shooting each other is when we're, like, deep into an adventure and like, we're deep into something other than filming. Because then, like, we're just more ourselves in that aspect. So.

01:26:07:19 - 01:26:26:02
Speaker 1
And you actually have something to say. Yeah. You know, a lot of times it's, you know, we can be on the side of the Matterhorn and it's it's like, well, what is there? It's like, what is there actually to say right now? It's like, well, we're still alive for the like, you know, it's like there's not there's not a whole lot to really say.

01:26:26:02 - 01:26:44:04
Speaker 1
But again, we always think that like, oh, if somebody else was filming then they could get us like talking to each other, you know, and making those decisions and things like that that you can't really film when you're, when you're filming yourselves. I couldn't imagine being somebody's solo who does it, like, on their own. Fortunately, we have each other.

01:26:44:04 - 01:27:04:11
Speaker 1
Like she gets footage of me and I get footage of her. Occasionally we'll set up, like, the tripod and and walk past so that we're both in the shot. But, yeah, it definitely makes it easier to have, like, her to film me, even if I want to say something. I give her the camera and I'm like, hey, film me so I can say this thing, you know?

01:27:04:11 - 01:27:15:20
Speaker 1
sure I think you guys do it well. You know you guys we're talking about being like decent genuine. But at least in the Matterhorn field I haven't like gone through your whole YouTube channel. But I didn't get that vibe at all from you guys. I think you guys did that.

01:27:15:20 - 01:27:26:03
Speaker 1
Well, I think it was important that you guys just, like, talked about what was going on. It was like, yeah, it might have been like, hey, talk about this right now. But at least it was an honest representation of like what

01:27:27:11 - 01:27:31:04
Speaker 3
Sure. Yeah, yeah.

01:27:40:05 - 01:27:41:09
Speaker 2
We are definitely.

01:27:41:12 - 01:27:42:15
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:27:42:17 - 01:28:05:12
Speaker 2
Yeah, I yeah, it's it's just a weird phenomenon to, like, film yourself and, like, you're just to constantly film yourself. Like, I just feel like humans shouldn't do that. So it's definitely taking its toll on us. I mean, we love it. I, we love being able to do what we do. And it's been able to, like, allow us to be creative and make the things that we want to make and stuff like that.

01:28:05:14 - 01:28:11:19
Speaker 2
But yeah, I would we would love to share other people's story. Like in the future, we would love to do something like that.

01:28:11:21 - 01:28:13:07
Speaker 3
Yeah. There's.

01:28:13:09 - 01:28:30:06
Speaker 1
Oh, sorry. I was just going to say, like, there can be. It's hard to feel like your story matters. You know, like, the thing I think that we struggle with a lot is, like, I'm always asking, like, why should anybody care about me? Like, why should anybody to watch a video of me? Like, I'm just a regular dude?

01:28:30:11 - 01:28:31:14
Speaker 1
Like, I'm not that good at class.

01:28:31:16 - 01:28:33:15
Speaker 2
You're not that great of climbers. Like.

01:28:33:15 - 01:28:52:19
Speaker 1
Yeah, but. So try I mean, that's that's what imposter syndrome they call it. Or like, you know, everybody deals with that. It's hard. I think maybe something is wrong with you if you think that, like, people should want to watch this video of me, like there's something weird about that. But. So we have these ups and downs for sure.

01:28:52:19 - 01:29:02:03
Speaker 1
Like every six months we're like, we should just quit. But, you know, and then we make the next video and I'm like, damn, actually, okay, this video is kind of good. So I guess we'll keep going.

01:29:02:03 - 01:29:06:01
Speaker 2
But lots of ebbs and flows within the social social media realm.

01:29:06:02 - 01:29:15:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think that's just art in general. Like most painters like think that they're painters, you know, it's like that's just that's just part of the gig. I think.

01:29:15:09 - 01:29:32:02
Speaker 1
100% heist. It seems like a great caveat to kind of, like, lean more into. Kind of like your guys's life as a as an influencer couple. I think that, it is a rare thing, I would say, especially in the climbing

01:29:33:13 - 01:29:35:21
Speaker 1
Especially in climbing a.

01:29:54:03 - 01:30:12:22
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. So I started the YouTube channel by myself, basically, like it was a tutorial channel. I mean, I'm sure you've seen, like, where you teach people how to use their cameras on how to shoot videos and all the settings and different things like that. So it was like a camera channel because I had that background previously.

01:30:13:00 - 01:30:36:13
Speaker 1
You know, shooting professional videos and freelance photography and those sort of things. So I started teaching that on YouTube, and that's kind of how I got into like the whole, you know, social media, like making money on YouTube type thing. And then, I don't know, I just got burnt on it, like, just felt like I was just making the same videos that everybody else was making.

01:30:36:13 - 01:30:57:08
Speaker 1
Like, I was teaching people things that like, there was already 40 videos on this topic that you could go learn from. Like, I don't need to make this video. And I kind of just got like tired of talking about cameras and that sort of thing, you know, because like, we're at a point now where, like we have one camera, we have one lens, like, I do not care about the camera stuff at all.

01:30:57:08 - 01:31:15:07
Speaker 1
I don't want to talk about it. Like, I just want to shoot cool stories and make cool films. And so, yeah, I kind of we just started thinking like, you know what else can we do? And it was like the backpacking thing was like how we really started the adventure videos as, like, we started out making backpacking videos, basically.

01:31:15:09 - 01:31:24:07
Speaker 1
But it was like a pretty, pretty abrupt pivot. It was just like one day I'm like, I'm not doing this camera shit anymore. Like, let's start doing adventures, you know.

01:31:24:07 - 01:31:28:05
Speaker 2
Change the channel name, change the Cody Blue, and then announce Cody Victoria and, you.

01:31:28:05 - 01:31:29:04
Speaker 3
Know.

01:31:29:06 - 01:31:30:14
Speaker 2
Did something completely different.

01:31:30:14 - 01:31:46:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, she was working a job like she was a personal trainer still. And it got to the point where, like, the channel was doing well enough that it was like, you know, if you want to quit your job, like, we're making decent money and like, we could do this together. But we weren't going to do, you know, camera tutorials together.

01:31:46:04 - 01:32:07:16
Speaker 1
So, I think just the natural progression was it was just like, what's something that we enjoy that we can make films about and that maybe we could do like better than, than other people were currently doing it. So yeah. And then we, we kind of we had started YouTube already before we were climbing. Yeah.

01:32:07:16 - 01:32:08:10
Speaker 3
Right. Yeah, yeah.

01:32:08:14 - 01:32:26:16
Speaker 1
So once we, I mean, you can watch our entire like climbing progress on the YouTube channel, like our first outdoor top rope is on there. So yeah. So we just started climbing and we really got into it, like it started making climbing films and now that's like the only thing we want to make films about basically.

01:32:26:17 - 01:32:28:12
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:32:28:14 - 01:32:33:19
Speaker 2
And the Instagram is actually pretty new. Like, we just started that like this year, I think.

01:32:33:19 - 01:32:35:01
Speaker 1
We started getting serious about it.

01:32:35:01 - 01:32:44:19
Speaker 2
Like, yes, we're, Instagram is still very foreign to me. I don't understand it, but I've been trying my best.

01:32:44:19 - 01:33:08:11
Speaker 1
to, like, go down that path of, I guess, being, like, climbing couple influencer, I want to use that word is, it's very much about being public with your your life, right? Like being public about with your personality. Being public about the things that you go through as a climber, like what was the beginning stages of that like for you guys,

01:33:09:23 - 01:33:11:15
Speaker 3
To.

01:33:29:18 - 01:33:50:11
Speaker 2
Well, it's funny as like. So Cody had his camera tutorial videos, but I was the model for him, so, like, when he was, like, testing his footage as color, like, whatever. Like, I would, I was on his videos, but, like, I never talked or anything. So like when I had to talk and engage with the camera, like when we, when we had the, when we first started the channel together.

01:33:51:16 - 01:34:11:08
Speaker 2
I mean, it's still very foreign to me, but, yeah, I mean, I don't know, I didn't I don't read the comments. I also don't edit the videos. So I'm not putting myself out there vulnerably in that way. So I, I would think you probably take more of the brunt of the publicity than I do.

01:34:11:09 - 01:34:33:23
Speaker 1
Yeah, maybe like, I do like again, I'm editing the video and stuff too. So like if somebody says this video sucks, then like, that's on me. That's not on her at all, you know? So yeah, there's definitely, I mean, it's tough. I don't know, it comes with the territory. I guess you get like people who leave terrible comments and whatever.

01:34:34:01 - 01:34:38:08
Speaker 3
But.

01:34:38:10 - 01:34:39:02
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:34:39:04 - 01:34:46:00
Speaker 2
I think Instagram is so much worse than YouTube though, man. People are mean on Instagram.

01:34:46:02 - 01:34:47:07
Speaker 3
Yeah. No.

01:34:47:09 - 01:34:48:16
Speaker 2
It's so bad.

01:34:48:18 - 01:35:16:14
Speaker 1
There are. I mean, I'm sure nobody that listens to this, but there are some like pretty mean climbers out there that I mean, you've experienced, I'm sure, on your Instagram or whatever. Yeah. Like it can be pretty nasty. So like that was you were asking about like getting into the climbing videos and stuff like that. And it was, I mean, I think our very first, like the Top Rope video, somebody called out the fact that like one of the leg loops wasn't double back.

01:35:16:16 - 01:35:17:14
Speaker 3
But yeah.

01:35:17:16 - 01:35:34:17
Speaker 1
And that's just like and that's the first video. So like from there on, it's like you literally have to be a climbing, you have to be squeaky clean. Like if your shoes are untied, somebody will notice.

01:35:34:19 - 01:35:35:05
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:35:35:05 - 01:35:36:00
Speaker 2
We got roasted.

01:35:36:00 - 01:35:36:13
Speaker 1
Yep.

01:35:36:15 - 01:35:47:08
Speaker 3
We are. Yeah. So.

01:35:47:10 - 01:35:49:05
Speaker 3
Yeah. I mean

01:35:49:04 - 01:35:55:21
Speaker 1
But at the same time, it I started to learn from it, like, you know, like you can, like take these people back, hey, fuck you back.

01:35:55:22 - 01:36:04:20
Speaker 1
You know, like, you know, I don't need to do this like it's safe. But when you when you start to think about it a little bit and you're like, okay, like, what is this person like, is this coming from a place of knowledge

01:36:06:02 - 01:36:07:20
Speaker 3
Right.

01:36:20:00 - 01:36:20:13
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:36:20:13 - 01:36:24:10
Speaker 1
There's something usually there's something in there.

01:36:24:12 - 01:36:28:16
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah.

01:36:28:16 - 01:36:34:18
Speaker 1
to get roasted like that. But I have become a better climber because of that criticism on my

01:36:35:13 - 01:36:48:17
Speaker 1
You know what? We double back our leg loops every single time after that. So, like, so that. I mean, I'm fine with that. Like, I like, there's a way to do it, you know, and.

01:36:48:17 - 01:36:52:07
Speaker 2
Like, a way to comment.

01:36:52:09 - 01:36:52:21
Speaker 3
No, of.

01:36:52:21 - 01:37:15:17
Speaker 1
Course I'm, I'm of the opinion that like if you're, if you're leaving really nasty comments then like you're just not a happy person like I, I yeah, I mean you're out, but also like, I kind of feel bad for you. That's pretty miserable that you're like scrolling through rails and just leaving shit comments. You know. But, yeah, there's I mean, like you said, a lot of times people.

01:37:15:17 - 01:37:16:22
Speaker 3
Are.

01:37:17:00 - 01:37:37:18
Speaker 1
They have they have something like, you're not totally wrong about stuff. I mean, I've like I said, I posted like building anchors or whatever. And, you know, we've we've gotten people that comment and they're like, oh, you should like, don't use a sliding ax or whatever. And like, it's hard because I'm like, okay, well, you know how not to has tested like the sliding ax.

01:37:37:18 - 01:37:59:18
Speaker 1
It's pretty much impossible that you're going to like shock load and blow through it. But at the same time, like, you probably are better off, like tying some limiting knots, you know, things like that. So, you know, it's like, okay, maybe I'll start tying knots or, you know, little things that you're going to pick up from the comments for sure, but you're also going to get your ass roasted.

01:37:59:19 - 01:38:09:12
Speaker 1
tough place. It's a tough place. But yeah I firmly believe on the on the blocking mentality. If like someone comes on too hot and is just a fucking asshole that's

01:38:09:21 - 01:38:13:22
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:38:22:00 - 01:38:41:03
Speaker 1
the funny thing about YouTube, I don't know if, you know, you can you maybe you do because you post this on YouTube, but you can hide the user from the channel. So like they think that people can see their comments but nobody can see them. And so to me that's even funnier because like, they're just leaving a bunch of comments and like into the space.

01:38:41:03 - 01:38:48:18
Speaker 1
Basically nobody can read them, but they can still see your videos and stuff. So I do that a lot. I'm like, oh, this is a terrible comment. Hide from channel.

01:38:48:22 - 01:38:49:15
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:38:49:16 - 01:38:59:18
Speaker 2
Whenever we get a shitty comment Instagram, I just go, Cody, can you deal with this? Because I hate confrontation. Like I'm just terrible at as like, Cody, just deal with this.

01:38:59:20 - 01:39:05:12
Speaker 1
I'll give people a little taste sometimes.

01:39:05:14 - 01:39:09:19
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:39:09:21 - 01:39:19:12
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:39:19:14 - 01:39:20:10
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.

01:39:20:12 - 01:39:23:22
Speaker 1
Once it's eight replies, you're like, okay. This is.

01:39:23:23 - 01:39:30:16
Speaker 1
much. And now and now it's just like, you know, everybody that comes to this page is just looking at these comments, just like, oh my God, this is like, really gnarly.

01:39:31:05 - 01:39:42:22
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. Totally. Yeah. You got to be careful. Especially if you're trying to get paid. You got to be careful on how you comment to other people.

01:39:42:22 - 01:39:49:23
Speaker 1
comments like that. Like you sure they make themselves look like an asshole, but they also breed other people

01:39:50:21 - 01:39:54:11
Speaker 3
Yeah. In.

01:40:17:19 - 01:40:18:11
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:40:18:13 - 01:40:21:19
Speaker 1
Is it because you've blocked them all?

01:40:21:21 - 01:40:24:09
Speaker 2
I'm blocking I know I was watching.

01:40:24:12 - 01:40:27:10
Speaker 1
That's true I don't we haven't blocked like hardly any and probably I think.

01:40:27:10 - 01:40:34:08
Speaker 2
It was one person. But yeah.

01:40:34:10 - 01:40:37:06
Speaker 2
Yeah I yeah.

01:40:49:19 - 01:40:52:09
Speaker 3
yeah yeah.

01:41:16:07 - 01:41:17:15
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:41:17:17 - 01:41:23:00
Speaker 1
Do they ever get you like do you ever feel like. Oh man you got me.

01:41:36:16 - 01:41:38:07
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:41:48:23 - 01:41:49:20
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:41:49:21 - 01:42:04:17
Speaker 1
That happens to me mostly on YouTube. YouTube is like my baby. It's like my pride. It's like, you know, I'm a filmmaker and I make films, and so, like, those ones get me Instagram. I'm just like. Like who? Cleveland goes on Instagram, like, get off of here.

01:42:04:19 - 01:42:06:11
Speaker 2
Everybody.

01:42:06:13 - 01:42:07:21
Speaker 1
But like, so they'll.

01:42:07:21 - 01:42:13:03
Speaker 1
but I would say in general, YouTube is a much more, it's a better platform for

01:42:13:22 - 01:42:24:16
Speaker 1
Right. And I think that's where that's where like those comments are like, oh man, if you leave a bad comment on YouTube, please don't leave it bad guys. But I'm just like, oh, you got me.

01:42:24:18 - 01:42:29:00
Speaker 3
I guess. Yeah.

01:42:29:02 - 01:42:32:15
Speaker 1
But it's a it's a crazy gig. It's it's interesting.

01:42:32:15 - 01:42:40:03
Speaker 1
It's a lot of, I think that's like the whole influencer role. Like, I think a lot, especially in the climbing community. It's very much like, frowned upon

01:42:41:10 - 01:42:48:03
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:42:48:04 - 01:42:52:06
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:42:52:08 - 01:42:56:01
Speaker 3
I still, yeah.

01:43:08:23 - 01:43:10:22
Speaker 3
Right.

01:43:31:03 - 01:43:32:23
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:43:33:01 - 01:43:57:16
Speaker 1
I mean, we probably feel the same way. Like, half the time. Like we feel weird about it sometimes, you know? Like, I mean, it's the job, but, like, selling products or or doing that sort of thing, or, like, we feel, you know, like, in a way, we get paid to go climbing and, like, there are climbers that are like 10 billion times better than me, that, like, aren't getting paid to go climbing.

01:43:57:16 - 01:44:21:09
Speaker 1
And so that's like a weird it's a hard thing to balance, you know, like I feel for people who are really good at climbing but don't know how to use a camera at all because, like, I mean, the reality is, is like, if you can't sell products, then like, why would a company pay you? You know what I'm saying?

01:44:21:09 - 01:44:40:02
Speaker 1
Just to be really good at climbing. But no, but nobody's seeing you, like, wear their jacket or whatever, you know, so.

01:44:40:04 - 01:44:43:14
Speaker 3
Yeah. I.

01:44:43:16 - 01:45:07:11
Speaker 1
Yeah, I wish I mean, I wish it was with that's that's kind of where like this whole idea of like us wanting to make films about other people, like, especially climbers who are like, way better than me. Like, I just want to go juga face line and like, film a real. Yeah, like. Totally like you're crushing and like, you could easily be making some money.

01:45:07:11 - 01:45:12:04
Speaker 1
Like, you just need somebody that knows how to operate the gear and like, you know, make something cool.

01:45:12:05 - 01:45:32:20
Speaker 2
But there's also a difference for an athlete who's getting paid by, like Arc'teryx or Black Diamond or whatever to go on expeditions as opposed to an influencer. You know, those are like two different departments. So like I would say, like a climber who wants to be an athlete and get paid by a big brand to go on expeditions, like you just need to have someone make content for you.

01:45:32:20 - 01:45:38:23
Speaker 2
You don't have to be like shilling products, but you need to have like a content that people want to see.

01:45:39:01 - 01:45:40:13
Speaker 3
Yes.

01:45:40:12 - 01:45:49:15
Speaker 1
like you still need the content. And I think today's day and age, it's like you could climb 514 D and if no one knows about you, no one cares.

01:45:49:21 - 01:45:54:18
Speaker 2
Yeah. Right. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

01:45:54:19 - 01:46:20:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. And again it's like we. I feel some sort of way about it. Like I'm getting paid to go climbing. But again, maybe if the opportunity comes up, like we could give back to to that, I mean, I know, like we've been talking with like Tanner, we've been talking with, like, the gravity lab, you know, these guys that are freaking crushers that like, I mean, the gravity lab, he's got a channel, you know, but to, like, help them step it up, get some photography, like.

01:46:20:11 - 01:46:23:21
Speaker 1
Yeah, like something that brands want to buy, you know?

01:46:23:23 - 01:46:25:09
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:46:25:11 - 01:46:29:07
Speaker 1
So it's an interesting world.

01:46:29:07 - 01:46:35:21
Speaker 1
It's interesting. And I think it's important to to share this perspective. So I'm, like, happy to have you guys on here to talk about it all.

01:46:36:02 - 01:46:37:06
Speaker 2
Let's talk about.

01:46:37:08 - 01:46:41:23
Speaker 1
Your partnership as, like, your marriage. Not in, like,

01:46:41:23 - 01:46:54:09
Speaker 2
Oh, God. Go into counseling right now.

01:47:02:12 - 01:47:04:11
Speaker 3
Oh.

01:47:04:13 - 01:47:26:21
Speaker 2
For it. Yeah. I've, like I said, a lot of times during this podcast, like, there's always a balance that needs to happen with our jobs because we are literally together 24 seven. Like, we never get time apart. We're running a business together. We're going climbing together. We're doing all the outdoor activities together, while also like remembering that we're married and like, oh, you're my husband.

01:47:26:21 - 01:47:50:01
Speaker 2
Oh yeah, I'm your wife. Like, we should spend time to, like, actually spend time together as a married couple and not just like, business partners, a climbing partner. Which is easier said than done. We have not mastered that whatsoever. But it's just like having those. I don't know, constant reminders that like, yeah, we need like, first it's us and then everything else comes.

01:47:50:06 - 01:47:53:20
Speaker 2
But yeah, it's definitely not easy to to balance all that.

01:47:53:22 - 01:48:24:00
Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean it's tough. I think the content specifically like definitely tests us a little more. Like if we just went climbing and hung out all the time, like, I mean, we're inseparable and we're best friends and like, life is amazing. But as soon as we bring in, like, the business, I mean, any couple that has, like, a business together, like it adds some tension and makes things tough, especially in a creative space, because she's got ideas and I have ideas and she's not editing and I am editing.

01:48:24:00 - 01:48:32:05
Speaker 1
And so it's always like, you know, it's like, oh, I think you should do this. It's like, okay, well, I'm editing. So like, you know, so we have those.

01:48:32:05 - 01:48:41:02
Speaker 2
Little I think it's important to have your roles like to know your roles, especially like as a married couple in a business, like, okay, you know, this is what you do. Okay. Like I'll let you do that, and this is what you do.

01:48:41:03 - 01:49:03:17
Speaker 1
Yeah. And we've we've managed to split that. Now, like, everything you see on Instagram is Victoria. She's like crushing the Instagram. Growing better than the YouTube channel is. So everything there is like she took that over. She's like I'll handle this. And so now we have like at least that separation, which is nice. But yeah, I mean, it's like she said, we're together all the time.

01:49:03:17 - 01:49:06:18
Speaker 1
I think every morning at breakfast, we're talking about.

01:49:06:20 - 01:49:08:10
Speaker 3
Work, you know? Yeah.

01:49:08:12 - 01:49:23:19
Speaker 1
So we have to be intentional, right? Like we have to go out on dates and, like, make sure that we're, you know, not talking about work. And of course, it always comes up anyways. And so we have to shut it down. You know, it's like we're not talking about work right now. Remember. Yeah, it's it's a struggle.

01:49:23:19 - 01:49:46:23
Speaker 1
But at the same time it's like, I mean, the best thing ever. We literally our job is to go climbing together and, like, make cool shit. So it's like we have the dream job and we always question whether it's the dream job, but I can't think of a single other thing that lets you like travel and and go climbing and like, get paid.

01:49:46:23 - 01:50:03:20
Speaker 1
I mean, yeah, we have to talk about products sometimes, but like, if that's what it takes, then like that's what we'll do. It's like, I mean, I could be selling anything else, you know, at least I'm selling things that like, I like to wear, you know, like a Gore-Tex jacket or something. You know, it's like things that I'll actually use.

01:50:03:20 - 01:50:13:05
Speaker 1
It's not like I'm selling, you know, I used to work at a bank, and I would sell people credit cards all day long knowing they didn't need a credit card. But it's like, you know, you got to have a job. So.

01:50:13:05 - 01:50:26:11
Speaker 1
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And it's like, it's like, I feel bad for you, but at the same time, like, I, my boss is breathing down my neck, you know, so, so we, I mean, we make it work though.

01:50:26:13 - 01:50:30:22
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Definitely pros and cons to the whole thing. But.

01:50:30:23 - 01:50:34:21
Speaker 2
What about your.

01:50:34:23 - 01:50:56:17
Speaker 1
I don't know, like, you're, like, looking back at your climbing life so far, I know it hasn't been that far, but, like, what are you most proud of? Like, so far? And your your growth is as climbers and content creators. Like, is there a challenge that you overcome or something that you achieve that you guys have been most proud of so far?

01:50:58:17 - 01:51:23:18
Speaker 1
On the creator aspect, I mean, I think it is cool that like, we did go. I mean, we made our lives and to be, like, getting paid to go climbing, like, that's I mean, for me, again, it's like I literally cannot think of a better job. Like, I don't know, besides being a very high profile professional athlete like a Tommy Caldwell or something, it's like, how else do you get paid to just go climbing every single day, you know?

01:51:23:20 - 01:51:24:10
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:51:24:11 - 01:51:26:20
Speaker 1
Not every single day, to be fair. But, you know, a lot of.

01:51:26:20 - 01:51:29:04
Speaker 2
The times it's been on the computer. Yeah, most of the time.

01:51:29:04 - 01:51:33:04
Speaker 1
So go climbing and get to shoot it and like make cool stuff out of it, you know.

01:51:33:06 - 01:51:55:00
Speaker 2
Yeah. I don't know. But as far as, like, climbing specifically, if that's what you're asking, I don't know. I mean, honestly, like, every time we're out in the alpine, we do like these big, like, long, multipage days and big objectives. Like, I'm just, like, just so stoked that we were, like, able to do that together and like.

01:51:55:02 - 01:52:06:07
Speaker 2
And then of course, like having the video and photos of with all that, it's like, super cool that we had that with us. Like we'll always be able to look back on that. So yeah, I mean.

01:52:06:09 - 01:52:27:11
Speaker 1
I think like in climbing specifically. Right. Like you're always every time you do a new climb is like, is another one of those like, great moments, you know, it's like one of those. So we always have something to look forward to, you know, and yeah, I don't know if there's like any big a cheat. Like every successful climb is like a great achievement.

01:52:27:11 - 01:52:46:04
Speaker 1
You know, it's it's seeing your progress and whether you're climbing a harder grade or you're like climbing something that last year you thought was like, no chance in hell you would ever climb it, you know? And so, I don't know, at least for me, it's like every time we go out, I'm amazed by, like how how much we progressed.

01:52:46:06 - 01:52:49:03
Speaker 3
You know.

01:52:49:03 - 01:53:09:15
Speaker 1
The progression is like always there right at your fingertips. You know there's like always the next thing you get to focus on. And it's usually so tangent like tangibly where it's like okay. Like I know it's like right there sometimes like with other pursuits with like creative pursuits or it's like hard to really envision like the next step, right?

01:53:09:15 - 01:53:18:07
Speaker 1
It's like, how do I get here? Like I don't really know what here is it even is, you know, and climbing is like so concrete. You're just like, okay, like, I,

01:53:19:18 - 01:53:30:04
Speaker 1
Yeah. You have, like, very specific goals and, like, things, you know, like a climb is a climb. So you can. That's something to look forward to and train for. And and.

01:53:30:06 - 01:53:30:22
Speaker 3
Yeah, you.

01:53:30:22 - 01:53:45:18
Speaker 1
Know, see that success and the accomplishment. Whereas like you said in creative endeavors, it's like, I mean, I guess you could say like, oh, I want 200,000 subscribers or whatever, but like, that's so.

01:53:45:20 - 01:54:05:10
Speaker 1
Yeah. It's like so yeah, there's no real measure really. Like I guess I just keep making videos until it happens. But whereas climbing, you can actually like try and and you can I don't know, you're like winning all the time and then you're failing all the time too. But just to see that project like year over year especially is is crazy.

01:54:05:10 - 01:54:21:06
Speaker 1
Like I remember us having a conversation of like like I'll never climb five nine on trad, like there's no way, you know? And then it's like, now you walk up to any five, nine, like almost and you could climb it, you know. So it's seeing that that progress to.

01:54:22:13 - 01:54:28:00
Speaker 2
Yeah. Just seeing like also like how we've grown since like mentally.

01:54:28:00 - 01:54:29:10
Speaker 3
And.

01:54:29:12 - 01:54:50:12
Speaker 2
You know being able to tolerate risk and problem solve together and all that stuff. Like there's so many aspects to climbing that just forces you to grow as a whole person, not just physically, which is I just think that's so amazing. Like, what other sport or like, really does that for you? And especially like one that, like, as an adult, like, I don't know.

01:54:50:13 - 01:55:13:02
Speaker 1
And there's, there's never like you can never learn at all, like, ever. And I think that's one of the really cool things about climbing, like just from the technical side or the, or the gear side, you know, you can never you can never you can always learn something new, you know, like if you're if you ride a snowboard, it's like you can learn new tricks, but like snowboarding is snowboarding.

01:55:13:02 - 01:55:49:07
Speaker 1
You know, you're not tying knots. You're not getting all this strange gear that you've never used before, you know? So you're you're being challenged in and like a puzzle type of way as well. So really it is like I mean, it's it's got multiple layers for sure. And it's, it's never ending. But you have those concrete goals, whether it's like you just learn a new anchor and you used it for the first time, you know, like that's always a really cool feeling to.

01:55:49:08 - 01:56:04:17
Speaker 2
Well, next year our goal is to climb Half Dome, the regular route and maybe then those in the fall. We'll see. I don't want to put it out there in the universe, because now, now everyone's going to be like, oh, you better do those. But we'll see. I don't know. Let's see.

01:56:04:23 - 01:56:14:01
Speaker 1
Yeah. It's we we never want to start big walling next year. Like yeah I think we're going to try to go for Half Dome in the spring.

01:56:14:03 - 01:56:14:06
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:56:14:09 - 01:56:42:20
Speaker 1
And then dude let us know. It would be awesome. Cool. So hopefully in the spring and then so I actually climbed the first four pitches of the nos with Tanner. Had like never even considered like I thought I was still three years out from from climbing the nose. But I went up with him and like, he just instilled so much confidence in me and basically, like, I don't know if I crushed it, you'd have to ask him.

01:56:42:20 - 01:56:55:19
Speaker 1
But he was like, dude, he was like, you like the way that you climbed this. Like, you definitely could climb the nose and so I'm like, okay, sick. Like, maybe we'll try the nose next year. So those are like our two.

01:56:55:21 - 01:57:06:01
Speaker 2
Like fake goals. Other than that, like, we'd love to be like, be able to walk up to any 511 and just be like, oh yeah, that's we could do this, you know? So just being stronger in that aspect.

01:57:06:02 - 01:57:10:23
Speaker 1
There's some alpine goals to have. You climbed on The Incredible Hulk.

01:57:10:23 - 01:57:14:01
Speaker 1
I got on PV, this last

01:57:14:02 - 01:57:15:13
Speaker 1
summer.

01:57:15:23 - 01:57:21:04
Speaker 1
Okay. So yeah, I think that's like on the list too. I don't know, that's maybe like a smaller goal I don't know, it's.

01:57:21:04 - 01:57:25:21
Speaker 1
stellar. I only got up to, I think, pitch.

01:57:25:22 - 01:57:27:23
Speaker 2
5 or 4.

01:57:28:01 - 01:57:34:23
Speaker 1
To, like, 55 plus mile an hour. Constant winds on the face. Everybody on the rock

01:57:35:00 - 01:57:45:15
Speaker 3
yeah.

01:57:45:16 - 01:57:50:19
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah yeah.

01:57:56:13 - 01:57:57:17
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:58:17:06 - 01:58:23:17
Speaker 3
Right. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

01:58:23:19 - 01:58:27:16
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah.

01:58:27:18 - 01:58:32:21
Speaker 3
Yeah.

01:58:32:23 - 01:58:37:09
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. That sounds like. That's so much.

01:58:37:09 - 01:58:46:02
Speaker 1
Fun. That's such a cool spot, too. That west face is really good, Yeah. Super sick.

01:58:46:04 - 01:58:47:22
Speaker 3
Okay.

01:58:48:00 - 01:58:49:07
Speaker 2
We'll have to go back. Yeah.

01:58:49:07 - 01:58:52:20
Speaker 1
Yeah. So definitely some alpine stuff in the pipeline for sure.

01:58:52:20 - 01:59:00:17
Speaker 2
Yeah. Other than that for creative wise, just try to step up our making films game.

01:59:00:19 - 01:59:03:11
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah.

01:59:03:13 - 01:59:06:05
Speaker 1
I guess I'll put this out there. Maybe this will give me a little more.

01:59:07:14 - 01:59:26:04
Speaker 1
If it doesn't happen. I'm sorry, but I would really like to get a film, like, into a festival. Whether that's about us or about, like, another climber or somebody who's got a really cool story, I think that's like, one of my creative goals, for sure is, like, hopefully do a little festival run and or like Tahoe has, like, you know, a mountain film.

01:59:26:06 - 01:59:31:20
Speaker 1
Obviously the big one I think is Banff, but we'll see. That's like a big.

01:59:31:22 - 01:59:32:22
Speaker 3
Oh yeah okay.

01:59:33:00 - 01:59:55:16
Speaker 1
I wish. Yeah. But no like that's, that's one of my creative goals is like really step up the filmmaking and try to make like a, I don't know, a 30 or 45 minute like hopefully climbing film. But. Yeah, yeah. Thanks. If anybody is listening and has a like a really cool story happening, reach out. That'd be awesome.

01:59:56:07 - 02:00:09:17
Speaker 1
Sweet. Guys. Well, I, appreciate you coming on. It was an awesome conversation. I, yeah, I mean, I'm just. I'm grateful to be here and grateful to have you guys here. And, I know it's been a long time coming, so I appreciate you guys, sitting down and sharing your story.

02:00:10:00 - 02:00:10:14
Speaker 3
Yeah yeah.

02:00:10:14 - 02:00:12:16
Speaker 2
Yeah. So having a water gun.

02:00:12:18 - 02:00:24:01
Speaker 1
So we're good to talk to you. We'll probably make it out to Vegas actually, like, sometime this winter, so we'll have. Hey,

02:00:24:03 - 02:00:31:14
Speaker 1
Okay, cool. Yeah. We may be coming through, so.

02:00:31:16 - 02:00:35:01
Speaker 3
Oh. Perfect.

02:00:35:03 - 02:00:37:08
Speaker 1
Let me know. Is the shower at least

02:00:37:08 - 02:00:40:01
Speaker 1
exactly. We got. We got plenty of all you can eat sushi

02:00:40:16 - 02:00:44:07
Speaker 2
Oh, okay. We're in. We're there for sure.

02:00:44:09 - 02:00:45:23
Speaker 3
Oof! All right.

02:00:45:23 - 02:00:46:09
Speaker 2
Well, we're.

02:00:46:09 - 02:00:48:04
Speaker 1
There. Yeah, but the town is in.

02:00:50:19 - 02:01:07:03
Speaker 1
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02:01:34:11 - 02:01:43:01
Speaker 1
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