In this episode, we sit down with Adam Campell. Adam is a man in motion who has dedicated his life to the pursuit of athletics and movement in the mountains. During his years as an athlete, Adam has been a member of five Canadian national teams in the sports of mountain running, ski mountaineering, and the duathlon/triathlon. His deep athletic base and hard work ethic have allowed him to become one of the best ultra runners on the planet. Arguably one of Adam’s most notable achievements was at the Hard Rock 100, a notorious race at high-elevation in the San Juan Mountains, where he placed 3rd not once but twice. When it didn't seem like anything could go wrong, Adam’s life came to a crashing halt after a 300ft fall while climbing the Horseshoe Traverse in BC. Thanks to luck, a helmet, and a full pack Adam survived, but with devastating injuries. Nonetheless, Adam defied logic and ended up running the Hard Rock 100 again only ten months after his injuries, a feat that is hard to believe even possible. Then Adams' story sadly took another turn for the worse in 2020 when he had to unbury his wife from a fatal avalanche. Needless to say, Adam has lived through a full spectrum of experiences in the mountains…, experiences that have tested his understanding of life, love, and what it means to be a mountain athlete. Adam has always spoken genuinely about his experiences in the mountains and he does so in our conversation. This episode provides a deep dive into the realities of the power that mountains carry. They give us life, energy, purpose, and meaning..but sometimes they take everything from us…
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In this episode, we sit down with Adam Campell. Adam is a man in motion who has dedicated his life to the pursuit of athletics and movement in the mountains. During his years as an athlete, Adam has been a member of five Canadian national teams in the sports of mountain running, ski mountaineering, and the duathlon/triathlon. His deep athletic base and hard work ethic have allowed him to become one of the best ultra runners on the planet. Arguably one of Adam’s most notable achievements was at the Hard Rock 100, a notorious race at high-elevation in the San Juan Mountains, where he placed 3rd not once but twice. When it didn't seem like anything could go wrong, Adam’s life came to a crashing halt after a 300ft fall while climbing the Horseshoe Traverse in BC. Thanks to luck, a helmet, and a full pack Adam survived, but with devastating injuries. Nonetheless, Adam defied logic and ended up running the Hard Rock 100 again only ten months after his injuries, a feat that is hard to believe even possible. Then Adams' story sadly took another turn for the worse in 2020 when he had to unbury his wife from a fatal avalanche. Needless to say, Adam has lived through a full spectrum of experiences in the mountains…, experiences that have tested his understanding of life, love, and what it means to be a mountain athlete. Adam has always spoken genuinely about his experiences in the mountains and he does so in our conversation. This episode provides a deep dive into the realities of the power that mountains carry. They give us life, energy, purpose, and meaning..but sometimes they take everything from us…
Please rate, review the show, and share this podcast with your friends. Word of mouth is one of the most powerful tools to help us out.
Contact us:
IG: @the.climbing.majority
Email: theclimbingmajoritypodcast@gmail.com
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Speaker 1
Hey everyone and welcome back to the Climbing Majority podcast for Talent. I sit down with living legends, professional athletes, certified guides to recreational climbers, like to discuss the topics, lessons, stories and experiences found in life to look like. If you haven't already, please subscribe, rate and review us wherever you get your podcasts.
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Speaker 1
What's going on, everyone? Max here. As we're coming to an end of the first year of this podcast, I just want to say thanks to everyone who supported and enjoyed the content. Starting this podcast as Jan last year, I had no idea how amazing and meaningful this project would be to myself and to so many others. We completely blew away my expectations and goals for viewership and guests coming on the show, and I just really want to say thanks for being a part of the majority.
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Speaker 1
I hope you enjoy the second last episode of 2022. All right, everyone, we've got a really amazing guest today. Today we are sitting down with Adam Campbell. Adam is a man in motion. He's a man who's dedicated his entire life to the pursuit of athletics and movements in the mountains. Adam's deep athletic base and hard work ethic have made him one of the best mountain runners on the planet.
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Speaker 1
Adam's athletic life came to a crashing halt after barely surviving a 300 foot fall while climbing the horseshoe traverse in British Columbia. He sustained numerous critical injuries and miraculously recovered and completed the Hard Rock 100 within a year of his initial injury. This is a feat pretty hard to fathom or even believe it's humanly possible. Unfortunately, Adam's story takes a turn for the worst in 2020, when he had to unburden his wife from a fatal avalanche.
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Speaker 1
Needless to say, he's lived through a full spectrum of experiences in the mountains, experiences that have tested his understanding of life, love, and what it means to be a mountain athlete. I've really admired Adam because he's always spoken so genuinely about his experiences in the mountains, and he does so today in our conversation. This episode provides a deep dove into the realities of the power that mountains have to give us life, energy, purpose and meaning.
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Speaker 1
But sometimes they take everything from us and we'll pass them in, you know? Welcome to the podcast. Thanks so much for coming on and everything. How's it going?
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Speaker 2
Oh, things are good.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, I was just. Just telling Kyle when I feel better today. It was a little.
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Speaker 2
Little rugged out there.
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Speaker 3
But listen, let's get some fresh air.
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Speaker 2
And move the legs.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, we're dying for snow here on the coast. Where'd you go?
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Speaker 3
Secret spot. It's in the league.
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Speaker 2
Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 4
We're not.
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Speaker 1
We're not that good of friends yet, huh? Is that okay? I get what's going on here.
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Speaker 3
It's not a pastiche. It's just.
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Speaker 2
No, I went up.
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Speaker 3
The backside of. Of Whistler, which I'm not really allowed to do at the moment, so.
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Speaker 1
Gotcha. All right, well, I won't tell anyone, but it's here. And, you know, the sort of eliminate yourself, which as a lawyer, I think you're pretty, pretty aware of. Yeah, well, wicked. Like I said. Thanks so much for coming on the show and everything. You know, like we obviously send you some show notes and stuff and I just thought maybe we can kind of go through a little bit of a chronology and you can kind of tell our audience, you know, who are you?
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Speaker 3
I mean, I guess how far back you're going to go?
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Speaker 1
You know, I actually like pretty far back. And personally, I think it's really interesting and I really enjoy getting the chronology, getting to know somebody and kind of how that that story like, you know, was a part of their evolution. So why don't we start at the beginning?
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Speaker 2
Well, I.
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Speaker 3
Guess I mean, first.
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Speaker 2
Name. So the names Adam Campbell and I'm.
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Speaker 3
Just sort of like a general.
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Speaker 2
Mountain athlete.
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Speaker 3
Based in Squamish, British Columbia at the.
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Speaker 2
Moment. And, you know.
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Speaker 3
But I'm sort of best known as doing sort of endurance things and.
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Speaker 2
You know, primarily in the.
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Speaker 3
Mountain ultrarunning space. But I also ski.
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Speaker 2
Mountaineer and climber and but I guess my my real beginnings, though I my.
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Speaker 3
Parents are Canadian.
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Speaker 2
But they.
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Speaker 3
Moved to Lagos, Nigeria, when I was nine months.
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Speaker 2
Old.
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Speaker 3
And actually prior to that, I was I was actually conceived.
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Speaker 2
In Iran and the revolution. And I and.
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Speaker 3
The revolution happened.
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Speaker 2
And my.
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Speaker 3
Mum was nine months pregnant and had to escape the country so certain.
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Speaker 2
Early, early days.
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Speaker 3
I guess adventure and kind.
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Speaker 2
Of, you know, a unique upbringing.
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Speaker 3
Sort of part of my built into who.
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Speaker 2
I am.
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Speaker 4
What were your parents doing out there?
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Speaker 2
So my well.
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Speaker 3
My dad was a.
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Speaker 2
He's a lawyer and he was he was working for the Iranian telecom company. And then he ended up working for an international telecom company called Alcatel for for a very long time.
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Speaker 3
And he actually went to Nigeria on like a six month contract, and he ended up being there for 43 years.
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Speaker 2
Which is kind of wild. So yeah, well.
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Speaker 3
And so yeah, I was raised in Lagos, Nigeria, and Lagos is.
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Speaker 2
You know, it's.
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Speaker 3
One of the world's mega-cities.
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Speaker 2
Really polluted most.
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Speaker 3
Populated city.
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Speaker 2
In Africa.
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Speaker 3
But it was also it's right on the beach, right on the ocean.
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Speaker 2
And I you know, we traveled a.
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Speaker 3
Lot when I was a kid as well. We would spend most of our vacation time there. And in in southern Spain.
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Speaker 2
Or, you know, around Europe.
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Speaker 3
In the Alps, in places. So that's where I first really.
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Speaker 2
Developed my love for.
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Speaker 3
Mountains, I guess, because all of our holidays were in mountainous areas.
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Speaker 2
But I studied it all, my love for the.
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Speaker 3
Outdoors in Nigeria, on the beaches there.
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Speaker 2
And I think that.
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Speaker 3
Going to these beaches and sort of sailing and surfing.
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Speaker 2
Or.
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Speaker 3
Like body surfing and stuff.
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Speaker 2
Were.
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Speaker 3
Sort of an escape from the madness of the city.
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Speaker 2
Which, you know, I never really, never really like.
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Speaker 3
The chaos of it all. And so I think I've just always associated outdoor spaces with a sense of calm.
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Speaker 2
And then.
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Speaker 3
When I was 17, I went to boarding school in eastern Canada.
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Speaker 2
And then.
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Speaker 3
In Ontario school called Trinity College School. And it's classic like what you picture a private more useful to me, like these beautiful limestone buildings with a.
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Speaker 2
Big.
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Speaker 3
Open campus.
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Speaker 2
You know.
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Speaker 3
There's obviously.
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Speaker 2
A bit of hoity toity kind of the.
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Speaker 3
Go to school there, but it also had a lot of opportunities and that's where it really started, things like cross-country.
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Speaker 2
Running.
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Speaker 3
And cross-country skiing. And it was on the school's downhill skiing and swim team. So that's what we really started doing, a lot more like organized sport.
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Speaker 2
And, and I loved it.
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Speaker 3
I just loved.
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Speaker 2
The you know what? I love the like the clean.
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Speaker 3
Air and of.
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Speaker 2
The quiet of the campus.
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Speaker 3
And I started.
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Speaker 2
Getting on my mountain bike.
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Speaker 3
And really exploring the kind of forest in the.
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Speaker 2
Area. And a lot of my.
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Speaker 3
Friends would go.
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Speaker 2
To.
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Speaker 3
Just summer.
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Speaker 2
Camp while we were there.
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Speaker 3
And so I started going.
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Speaker 2
Out with them and doing a lot of longer.
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Speaker 3
Canoe trips and.
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Speaker 2
Up in.
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Speaker 3
Northern Ontario, it's really.
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Speaker 2
Really, really cool, you know.
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Speaker 3
For these like.
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Speaker 2
30 day.
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Speaker 3
Canoe trips.
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Speaker 2
And then that like further developed my love of.
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Speaker 3
The outdoors along with the cross-country skiing that we were.
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Speaker 2
Doing. And I was just.
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Speaker 3
Really lucky to fall into this.
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Speaker 2
Cool group of like.
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Speaker 3
Outdoorsy people, all of us there.
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Speaker 2
But during that time, you know, I.
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Speaker 3
Started to train a little bit more seriously, were still kind of dabbling in a lot of sports.
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Speaker 2
In the year I graduated high school, I.
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Speaker 3
Jumped into a triathlon.
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Speaker 2
And it happened.
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Speaker 3
To be the junior Canadian Triathlon Championships. And I think just due to my.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I've always.
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Speaker 3
I was always a good long distance.
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Speaker 2
Runner. And I grew.
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Speaker 3
Up swimming in the ocean and things.
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Speaker 2
And I think just due to my bigger rowing.
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Speaker 3
Base and it was also a really hot day and have always handled really hot temperatures.
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Speaker 2
Well end up making.
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Speaker 3
The junior Canadian triathlon team with that race. And that kind of changed my life quite.
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Speaker 2
Dramatically.
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Speaker 3
Because I ended up.
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Speaker 2
Meeting a bunch of top level.
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Speaker 3
Canadian triathletes and including this one guy, Simon Whitfield, who went on.
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Speaker 2
To win the Olympic gold medal.
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Speaker 3
And I got to train with.
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Speaker 2
Him a little.
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Speaker 3
Bit.
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Speaker 2
And he invited me to to come train with him in Victoria.
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Speaker 3
I started university at Queen's University and which is in Eastern Canada, and Victoria is the other side of the country and.
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Speaker 2
You know.
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Speaker 3
Going to go train full time with some of the best athletes in the world in a way better than college. So I dropped out of school, flew across the country.
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Speaker 2
And.
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Speaker 3
Went into this like deep.
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Speaker 2
Dove into.
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Speaker 3
The two high performance sport with an Olympic gold medalist and Ironman champions and world champions and.
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Speaker 2
Sort of learned the craft of being an.
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Speaker 3
Athlete and the business side of sport through.
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Speaker 2
Them. And I got.
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Speaker 3
To travel the world, racing as a as a chocolate.
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Speaker 2
For.
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Speaker 3
You know, for almost six and a half years and made some really good friends during that time and.
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Speaker 2
You know, really learned.
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Speaker 3
How to train. And once again.
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Speaker 2
Sort of further home my.
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Speaker 3
Physical capacities. But it was also like really hard core training like.
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Speaker 2
We were is very.
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Speaker 3
Much like.
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Speaker 2
A high.
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Speaker 3
Performance eat, sleep.
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Speaker 2
Breathe training kind of and.
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Speaker 3
Also really.
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Speaker 2
Cutthroat. And in about.
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Speaker 3
2006, I was trying to qualify for the Beijing Olympics as sort of like an outside.
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Speaker 2
Help. But I the.
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Speaker 3
Beauty about sport.
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Speaker 2
At that.
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Speaker 3
Level is.
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Speaker 2
You know, it's.
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Speaker 3
Actually kind.
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Speaker 2
Of fair in.
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Speaker 3
That, you know, if you're good enough.
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Speaker 2
Or not.
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Speaker 3
And I just wasn't quite.
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Speaker 2
Good enough relat.
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Speaker 3
You know, I was training with the best guys in the world and sort of.
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Speaker 2
Doing what they were all doing and they were.
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Speaker 3
Just better than.
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Speaker 2
Me.
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Speaker 3
You know, I was I was really.
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Speaker 2
Competitive nationally, but on.
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Speaker 3
An international scale.
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Speaker 2
I didn't quite cut it.
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Speaker 3
And so I decided instead to become the national team manager. And so I could.
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Speaker 2
Support my.
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Speaker 3
Friends who were going to be going to the Olympics. My partner at the time was.
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Speaker 2
Ranked third in the world.
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Speaker 3
And so she was going to go to the Olympics and have a shot at the.
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Speaker 2
Medal.
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Speaker 3
Simon, who's one of our best friends at that point, was going to go.
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Speaker 2
On to, you know.
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Speaker 3
Another shot at a.
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Speaker 2
Medal within end.
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Speaker 3
Getting a silver.
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Speaker 2
Medal.
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Speaker 3
And so I did that for the next couple of years. And that's sort of when I started Trail.
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Speaker 2
Anymore, because I don't want.
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Speaker 3
To give up on the sport completely. And so I figured running.
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Speaker 2
You know, it's what I enjoy doing.
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Speaker 3
The most and sort of the easiest to get into.
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Speaker 2
And trail.
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Speaker 3
Running is really starting to take off. And so I jumped into a challenge.
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Speaker 2
That happened to be the Canadian Mountain.
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Speaker 3
Running Championships, and I qualify for the Canadian running team. And we got to go race the world long distance mount running championships which.
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Speaker 2
Were in.
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Speaker 3
Switzerland.
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Speaker 2
The jump from marathon and.
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Speaker 3
The.
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Speaker 2
Uphill marathon.
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Speaker 3
With almost 2000 meters of physical gains of six and a half thousand feet.
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Speaker 2
And you start an interlock and then you.
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Speaker 3
Finish at the base of.
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Speaker 2
The Eiger, the Mongolian trout. So like really, really iconic. It's kind of kind.
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Speaker 3
Of a hilarious race because you start in front of a Hooters and a commercial on a glacier.
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Speaker 2
So it sounds.
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Speaker 3
American. Isn't that.
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Speaker 2
Cool? Yeah. Yeah. I really was born in the valley. And then there's, like, wild.
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Speaker 3
Geeks around you.
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Speaker 4
That's about.
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Speaker 2
As long.
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Speaker 3
As you're in the race.
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Speaker 2
There's no.
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Speaker 3
People in trains and cheering.
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Speaker 2
You on.
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Speaker 3
And stuff.
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Speaker 2
And yeah, they.
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Speaker 3
Come to the races in North America at the time.
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Speaker 2
You might be lucky to have a.
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Speaker 3
Bluegrass band playing this generation.
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Speaker 2
You know, like. Yeah, like, like a.
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Speaker 3
Trough of beer or something.
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Speaker 2
You know, maybe. Maybe a family member.
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Speaker 3
At the finish line.
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Speaker 4
Yeah. It's like.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So yeah, yeah. You know, they try to jump through that. But I did that for a number of.
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Speaker 3
Years and as I said, it was sort of right.
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Speaker 2
When.
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Speaker 3
Trail running was really starting to take off and it started to well at some international races.
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Speaker 2
And in that time I, I figured like after the.
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Speaker 3
Olympics I wrote the LSAT, so the law school entrance exam.
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Speaker 2
Because I didn't want to be a national.
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Speaker 3
Team manager, basically, man, I was like.
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Speaker 2
You know.
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Speaker 3
Booking hotel rooms for people.
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Speaker 2
And following them along, handing them water bottles.
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Speaker 3
And I didn't see this as like a long term.
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Speaker 2
Career and I did well enough.
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Speaker 3
On the SATs.
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Speaker 2
And I had enough.
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Speaker 3
College courses to get accepted to law school. So I started law school.
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Speaker 2
At the time.
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Speaker 1
What was your undergrad?
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Speaker 2
I never finished my undergrad.
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Speaker 1
Oh, so you just took the LSATs and you passed and you're good enough to go on to law school?
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Speaker 3
A certain certain universities.
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Speaker 2
Don't require don't require an undergrad.
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Speaker 3
So I had an interesting enough sort of life story.
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Speaker 2
And you know, it showed.
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Speaker 3
Competence in.
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Speaker 2
The, you know, in.
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Speaker 3
The few courses I had taken.
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Speaker 2
You know, I have two.
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Speaker 3
Years of.
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Speaker 2
Undergrad. Yeah.
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Speaker 4
And then do you think that your athletic achievements helped you, even though they were more or less unrelated to law school specifically?
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Speaker 2
So, yeah, no, 100.
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Speaker 3
Percent me.
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Speaker 2
Did you know, like I'm.
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Speaker 3
On top of athletic achievements, you know, it also.
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Speaker 2
You know.
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Speaker 3
Manager national.
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Speaker 2
Team. Um.
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Speaker 3
And so I had like.
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Speaker 2
I.
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Speaker 3
Think it's a of, I think sport has opened a lot of doors for.
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Speaker 2
Me throughout my life in a, in a lot of ways.
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Speaker 3
You know, whether it's making connections, having really just.
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Speaker 2
Wild and weird.
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Speaker 3
Opportunities come.
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Speaker 2
Up, you know, that it benefited me.
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Speaker 3
Far beyond sport.
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Speaker 2
So and I think, you know, like.
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Speaker 3
Sort of living an unconventional life.
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Speaker 2
Can have that can have that.
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Speaker 3
Draw as well sometimes because.
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Speaker 2
You know, a lot of people I get.
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Speaker 3
Into law school and med.
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Speaker 2
School have, you know.
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Speaker 3
A very specific track in that. That's awesome. But it's also great that they allow space for.
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Speaker 2
A few people, had.
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Speaker 3
Other life experiences as well. They consider me.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1
Well, it's definitely very unconventional. I don't know too many other hyper successful athletes who just challenged the SAT and then decided they were going to get into law. But obviously, if your father was a lawyer as well, too, do you feel that like is law, is law your passion or at the time, did it just feel like something like mechanize, like you?
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Speaker 1
It was just another job.
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Speaker 3
There's a funny story. My my grandpa was also a lawyer.
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Speaker 2
And when I was.
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Speaker 3
About 13 years old, he was an ambassador to Canada. Actually, he was a Canadian ambassador. And he had this like really like regal study.
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Speaker 2
And he called me.
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Speaker 3
Into his study and he's like out.
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Speaker 2
Of, you know, my.
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Speaker 3
Father is a.
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Speaker 2
Lawyer. I'm a lawyer.
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Speaker 3
Your father's a lawyer.
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Speaker 2
What would you like to be when you grow up like that and over.
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Speaker 3
The.
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Speaker 2
Speedo, you know, Nova. So the one thing that the one reason why I.
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Speaker 3
Chose law was.
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Speaker 2
The one I don't.
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Speaker 3
Have like a.
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Speaker 2
I don't have an.
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Speaker 3
Aptitude for science. Like, my mind just doesn't really.
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Speaker 2
Work well with numbers.
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Speaker 3
And I've just never done all that well in the sciences. So that door was closed.
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Speaker 4
Fair. It's good to know yourself.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
The grades just spoke for me.
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Speaker 2
My dad and growing up, I had both his law as a door opener.
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Speaker 3
Into other very interesting career paths. And so.
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Speaker 2
I well, I didn't think I ever.
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Speaker 3
Actually wanted to practice law in a conventional sense.
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Speaker 2
I knew that it.
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Speaker 3
Was it was a great.
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Speaker 2
Door opener.
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Speaker 3
And I love the study of law. Like, I actually I loved law school because all you're.
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Speaker 2
Doing is you're doing like.
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Speaker 3
Really interesting ethical questions or policy questions.
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Speaker 2
That have a direct bearing on how we interact with our communities.
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Speaker 3
And the country and, you.
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Speaker 2
Know.
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Speaker 3
Society at large. And so I found that part of it to be super interesting.
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Speaker 4
At what point during this entire journey that you just described to us, did you explore the sport of climbing?
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Speaker 3
Yeah, so.
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Speaker 2
I started climbing a little bit like when I was doing Outward.
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Speaker 3
Bound courses.
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Speaker 2
And I and I.
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Speaker 3
Always loved.
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Speaker 2
It.
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Speaker 3
But obviously when I was doing triathlon.
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Speaker 2
That kind of became a bit more of a full time focus.
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Speaker 3
But in my off season, I'd always go.
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Speaker 2
Climbing.
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Speaker 3
At the climbing gym.
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Speaker 2
And then once.
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Speaker 3
I started.
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Speaker 2
Doing more of the trail running and mountaineering, I happened.
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Speaker 3
To get sponsored by Arc'teryx.
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Speaker 2
And I moved. I moved to Canmore.
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Speaker 3
Alberta, which is also.
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Speaker 2
One of the climbing.
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Speaker 3
Hotbeds of the world and certainly.
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Speaker 2
Canada.
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Speaker 3
And while I was there, I was noticing that.
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Speaker 2
More and more of my runs.
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Speaker 3
Were sort of turning into scrambles. Like, you know.
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Speaker 2
I'd.
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Speaker 3
I'd always sort of had a bit of an adventure side to myself. And so.
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Speaker 2
I, you know, I was getting a little bit.
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Speaker 3
Bored of just running trails, basically, and I started looking at ridgelines, sort of being curious about certain venturing up the ridge lines. And next thing I knew, I was like.
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Speaker 2
I'm kind of climbing.
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Speaker 3
Gear, so I should probably start.
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Speaker 2
Learning a little bit how to.
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Speaker 3
Use robust to be a little bit safer.
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Speaker 2
And.
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Speaker 3
I was luckily able.
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Speaker 2
To, you know.
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Speaker 3
Got some great mentorship just through, you know, connections that are tournaments like the first.
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Speaker 2
Multi.
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Speaker 3
Pitch climb ever did was like a six page read on.
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Speaker 2
Mount.
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Speaker 3
Moscow with John Walsh, who's like a very famous Canadian ALPINIST.
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Speaker 2
It kind of he kind of just threw.
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Speaker 3
Me a little bit. And this is a little bit of another thing. Those are my first multiple. It was an.
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Speaker 2
11 B like kind of funky, scary try. It's not exactly like a little bit of a full immersion into the into the of.
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Speaker 4
Did you read any of the pitches.
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Speaker 2
I did not know. I forgot all of.
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Speaker 3
It at the time. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
But I mean it was awesome, you know, and you.
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Speaker 3
Because I've been.
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Speaker 2
Climbing with him quite a bit in the climbing.
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Speaker 3
Gym and so he saw that I can at least like.
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Speaker 2
Hold on long enough and yeah. And then from there in the.
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Speaker 3
Winters I started doing a lot more skijoring.
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Speaker 2
You know.
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Speaker 3
Because running in the snow was kind of miserable.
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Speaker 2
And I just love getting up in the Alpine.
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Speaker 3
And so it was really fun to sort of that skijoring into the max, you know, was able to get.
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Speaker 2
On with.
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Speaker 3
Some of the smaller racers. And so it's, you know, it's ski racing and sort of light and fast skijoring.
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Speaker 2
It's a lot.
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Speaker 3
Like trail.
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Speaker 2
Running in the mountains.
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Speaker 3
You know as you look quite a traditional ski during.
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Speaker 2
With hiking.
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Speaker 3
And then sort of the more skiing side of it, it's a little bit more like trail.
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Speaker 2
Running a marathon.
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Speaker 4
Well, have you ever branched into the sports of like albinism or ice climbing or anything like that?
00:20:05:00 - 00:20:07:23
Speaker 2
Yeah. No, for sure. Yeah. Did you you know.
00:20:08:00 - 00:20:12:22
Speaker 3
When I was little newcomers actually having trouble with race climbing.
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Speaker 2
You know, quite.
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Speaker 3
A lot of ice climbing.
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Speaker 2
Not, not, not a lot. A lot. But I definitely.
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Speaker 3
Was more.
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Speaker 2
Of.
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Speaker 3
The backcountry steer.
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Speaker 2
But I would definitely hop.
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Speaker 3
On some ice and mixed routes on occasion.
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Speaker 2
And, you know, over the.
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Speaker 3
Years, climbing has played a much larger.
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Speaker 2
Part of my life. And then.
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Speaker 3
Albinism.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, definitely, you know, I've done quite a.
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Speaker 3
You know, I've done some of the big alpine routes.
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Speaker 2
You know, like more on the moderate end of.
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Speaker 3
Things because I do like to cover ground as opposed to like really.
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Speaker 2
Looking at like.
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Speaker 3
Searching like pure difficulty.
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Speaker 2
I like, you know, we cover a lot of a.
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Speaker 3
Lot of terrain.
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Speaker 2
So you like.
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Speaker 3
Slightly lower angle stuff.
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Speaker 1
I adhere to that standard as well, just not by choice.
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Speaker 4
Yeah, I just climb hard. So yeah, it's the reality so far.
00:21:07:19 - 00:21:09:12
Speaker 2
Yeah, I've done a lot of the big alpine.
00:21:09:12 - 00:21:10:17
Speaker 3
Routes in the Rockies.
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Speaker 2
But you know, more of the the.
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Speaker 3
Easier routes and things.
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Speaker 4
But and this is the last question I'll ask on on this kind of topic here real quick. And this is something we ask everybody. Just I like to give people a perspective on just who you are as a climber in terms of grades and kind of like your focus. I know you have a lot of stuff going on in your life and stuff, but you want to give just people a quick like route, like understanding of of what you're climbing at this point in your life.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. So yeah, sport climbing to low to mid 512 and then try climbing.
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Speaker 2
You know, sort of low to mid five elevens.
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Speaker 3
I moved to Squamish last.
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Speaker 2
December and so.
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Speaker 3
I just hadn't spent that much time on granite. So this year is.
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Speaker 2
Really learning a lot more how to.
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Speaker 3
Basically.
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Speaker 2
Climb granite better. I had climbed.
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Speaker 3
The Beck and Chouinard and the bugaboos prior to.
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Speaker 2
That and.
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Speaker 3
In like super icy and snowy conditions. It was actually.
00:22:07:15 - 00:22:14:07
Speaker 2
Really I was pretty gripping but but yeah, you know, I.
00:22:14:07 - 00:22:16:19
Speaker 3
Had to spend that much time on granite. So which is obviously.
00:22:17:12 - 00:22:18:13
Speaker 2
You know, quite a different.
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Speaker 3
Style of climbing. So it's been really fun.
00:22:21:05 - 00:22:22:19
Speaker 2
To learn how to climb on that.
00:22:22:19 - 00:22:32:17
Speaker 3
And so it's been a lot more time on like lower grades just trying to volume this past year. And I also sort of bouldering quite a bit because the bouldering in Squamish is actually super fun and.
00:22:33:03 - 00:22:33:22
Speaker 2
We had a really.
00:22:33:22 - 00:22:38:05
Speaker 3
Rainy start to the summer and so we.
00:22:38:05 - 00:22:38:16
Speaker 2
Were able to, you.
00:22:38:16 - 00:22:41:15
Speaker 3
Know, once again like a not a great bonus and sort of like.
00:22:41:22 - 00:22:42:04
Speaker 2
You know.
00:22:43:04 - 00:22:44:16
Speaker 3
The fours kind of stuff.
00:22:45:01 - 00:22:51:18
Speaker 2
But they should be very careful. Yeah.
00:22:52:05 - 00:22:54:07
Speaker 1
Yeah. Also really hard.
00:22:54:07 - 00:23:05:09
Speaker 2
It's really hard. Yes. You know, like, you know. Yeah, you know, more than like the three kind of arrangement, you know, the before the five and then and you actually really like climbing old.
00:23:05:09 - 00:23:06:15
Speaker 3
Plastic as well. I just love.
00:23:06:15 - 00:23:13:20
Speaker 2
Going in the evening for an hour, hour and a half of the climbing gym. And I do that like quite regularly actually. It's kind of like a.
00:23:13:20 - 00:23:15:16
Speaker 3
Secondary activity, super social.
00:23:15:18 - 00:23:16:14
Speaker 2
Like kind of.
00:23:16:14 - 00:23:17:07
Speaker 3
No stress.
00:23:18:20 - 00:23:19:08
Speaker 2
Then I guess the.
00:23:19:08 - 00:23:19:22
Speaker 3
Other thing is.
00:23:20:06 - 00:23:21:08
Speaker 2
Even though I don't like.
00:23:21:08 - 00:23:22:03
Speaker 3
Necessarily.
00:23:22:10 - 00:23:27:01
Speaker 2
Climbing the hardest level, I do do a lot of, you know.
00:23:27:01 - 00:23:27:13
Speaker 3
Sort of.
00:23:27:17 - 00:23:27:23
Speaker 2
Like.
00:23:27:23 - 00:23:29:00
Speaker 3
Alpine soloing.
00:23:29:00 - 00:23:30:02
Speaker 2
Kind of a, you know.
00:23:30:11 - 00:23:37:16
Speaker 3
Sort of five, five, five, six, five, seven range. So it's like a much more complex environment.
00:23:37:16 - 00:23:50:01
Speaker 4
So very cool. Yeah. Thanks for sharing, I think. Yeah, it's really nice. It paints a picture that a lot of people I think secretly really want to know, but it's not like very easy information to gather all at once.
00:23:50:01 - 00:24:08:07
Speaker 1
So do you feel like do you feel like a lot of these sports just kind of come naturally to you? Like, obviously, I'm not questioning if you work hard at all, but for me, like you're very casual about your climbing grades, but like that's like way harder than I could ever climb. And I'm trying really hard, you know?
00:24:08:13 - 00:24:15:14
Speaker 1
So I just mean in general. Like, do, do you feel like a lot of these things almost just kind of come natural, like they fall into place for you.
00:24:16:20 - 00:24:17:05
Speaker 2
Know.
00:24:17:05 - 00:24:18:01
Speaker 3
I would say that.
00:24:18:01 - 00:24:19:03
Speaker 2
Because I spend quite a lot.
00:24:19:03 - 00:24:19:18
Speaker 3
Of time doing.
00:24:19:18 - 00:24:23:05
Speaker 2
Them, you know, and the one the.
00:24:23:05 - 00:24:24:06
Speaker 3
One advantage that I do.
00:24:24:06 - 00:24:26:20
Speaker 2
Have, though, is I've been really.
00:24:26:20 - 00:24:28:02
Speaker 3
Fortunate, as I say, to.
00:24:28:02 - 00:24:30:00
Speaker 2
Get out with really good people. So that's why.
00:24:30:04 - 00:24:30:23
Speaker 3
You know, I can sort of.
00:24:31:14 - 00:24:34:03
Speaker 2
Like downgrade a little bit what I what I do.
00:24:34:03 - 00:24:35:17
Speaker 3
Because it's all about perspective.
00:24:35:17 - 00:24:37:19
Speaker 2
You know, like I had like Jonathan.
00:24:37:19 - 00:24:40:10
Speaker 3
Siegrist staying at my place this summer who's like a.
00:24:40:18 - 00:24:49:15
Speaker 2
Like a 515 caliber. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I do spend.
00:24:49:15 - 00:24:51:15
Speaker 3
A lot of time doing these sports and thinking about.
00:24:51:15 - 00:24:55:07
Speaker 2
Them and trying, you know, I'm just I'm.
00:24:55:07 - 00:24:56:02
Speaker 3
Fortunate.
00:24:56:02 - 00:24:56:12
Speaker 2
That my.
00:24:56:12 - 00:25:04:13
Speaker 3
Life allows me and I sort of built a life that allows me to spend a lot of time outside. So, you know, it's a combo of those two things.
00:25:04:13 - 00:25:09:19
Speaker 2
So, you know, I do I do like I do care quite a lot, like, yeah, I wouldn't do it as.
00:25:09:19 - 00:25:10:14
Speaker 3
Much if I didn't.
00:25:11:11 - 00:25:33:15
Speaker 1
So I guess another thing I'm curious about is you've said you've kind of built this life that affords you the time to go outside. Maybe you could paint a bit of a picture of that because for me, I think of, okay, so we've got this hyper successful athlete. He's very competent and successful in a multitude of domains, and he's also a lawyer.
00:25:34:03 - 00:25:50:08
Speaker 1
Where does the time come from? You know, how do you have the time? Like, how do you have the time to go to work and to train and to be an athlete and to also do, you know, speaking engagements like all the all these things that I think of in my mind. I don't paint a picture of someone who has all this time.
00:25:50:08 - 00:25:58:07
Speaker 1
So I'm curious about that. If you could maybe kind of like what is a little bit of the like into the daily life of Adam, you know?
00:25:58:12 - 00:26:01:16
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, to be fair, I'm not currently working.
00:26:02:16 - 00:26:06:02
Speaker 3
As a lawyer so that, you know, that obviously opens up a lot. I.
00:26:06:09 - 00:26:09:06
Speaker 2
I did work corporate law for a.
00:26:09:06 - 00:26:10:11
Speaker 3
Few years and.
00:26:10:11 - 00:26:11:08
Speaker 2
That, that really.
00:26:11:08 - 00:26:13:03
Speaker 3
Wasn't for me. But I also wanted to.
00:26:13:03 - 00:26:16:15
Speaker 2
See like the only way for me to really rule it out.
00:26:16:15 - 00:26:17:19
Speaker 3
Was to try it for.
00:26:17:19 - 00:26:18:03
Speaker 2
An event.
00:26:19:12 - 00:26:23:07
Speaker 3
And I just, you know, that that was all like for me. And so instead.
00:26:23:07 - 00:26:23:22
Speaker 2
I worked.
00:26:23:22 - 00:26:25:10
Speaker 3
As in-house counsel.
00:26:26:13 - 00:26:27:22
Speaker 2
For an environmental.
00:26:27:22 - 00:26:31:05
Speaker 3
Engineering firm for a number of years, and most of the work was remote.
00:26:33:06 - 00:26:33:17
Speaker 2
And.
00:26:34:00 - 00:26:35:20
Speaker 3
It was quite careful about choosing work that I could.
00:26:35:20 - 00:26:36:15
Speaker 2
Do remotely.
00:26:37:03 - 00:26:39:06
Speaker 3
So that I would have to and then also.
00:26:39:21 - 00:26:42:13
Speaker 2
Do things I didn't have like require a lot.
00:26:42:13 - 00:26:47:07
Speaker 3
Of necessarily like urgency to it so that I would.
00:26:47:07 - 00:26:48:11
Speaker 2
Have to be able to do work in the.
00:26:48:11 - 00:26:52:16
Speaker 3
Evenings and have some flexibility. And my schedule of conditions were good to.
00:26:52:16 - 00:26:55:05
Speaker 2
Go and, you know, have time to go and do a good adventure.
00:26:55:05 - 00:26:56:06
Speaker 3
And then I've also chosen to.
00:26:56:06 - 00:26:56:19
Speaker 2
Live.
00:26:56:19 - 00:26:57:19
Speaker 3
In places.
00:26:58:07 - 00:26:58:23
Speaker 2
That allow.
00:26:58:23 - 00:27:01:18
Speaker 3
Quick access to the mountains as well.
00:27:01:18 - 00:27:02:13
Speaker 2
You know, the beauty.
00:27:02:13 - 00:27:04:17
Speaker 3
That someone like Squamish or Canmore is.
00:27:05:02 - 00:27:07:15
Speaker 2
I literally can go and do an hour.
00:27:07:19 - 00:27:08:07
Speaker 3
To three.
00:27:08:07 - 00:27:08:14
Speaker 2
Hours.
00:27:09:00 - 00:27:10:02
Speaker 3
To the mountain mission.
00:27:10:08 - 00:27:12:10
Speaker 2
And you know that and able to move fast.
00:27:12:10 - 00:27:13:05
Speaker 3
As well, needing to.
00:27:13:05 - 00:27:15:09
Speaker 2
Cover a lot of ground and.
00:27:15:09 - 00:27:18:11
Speaker 3
In a nice in a nice way to those sort.
00:27:18:11 - 00:27:20:05
Speaker 2
Of like little lack.
00:27:20:08 - 00:27:20:11
Speaker 3
Of.
00:27:20:17 - 00:27:22:00
Speaker 2
Tibet along the way.
00:27:22:23 - 00:27:40:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, totally. So what is I don't know, like how, how structured is your training right now? Like, what's what's like a weekly training volume for you? Is it really structured? Are you very analytical? I know you said you don't like members, so maybe not. Yeah. Give me a little bit of info in that. I'm curious.
00:27:42:02 - 00:27:44:22
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. So these days it's not, not highly structured.
00:27:44:22 - 00:27:45:15
Speaker 2
Like I don't have.
00:27:45:15 - 00:27:51:23
Speaker 3
Like a set goal when I have like a specific goal I'm working towards, then there's a lot more structure.
00:27:51:23 - 00:27:52:13
Speaker 2
The only thing I.
00:27:52:13 - 00:27:53:02
Speaker 3
Can do.
00:27:53:23 - 00:27:54:03
Speaker 2
Kind.
00:27:54:03 - 00:27:56:09
Speaker 3
Of in a structured way these days is a strength.
00:27:56:09 - 00:27:57:00
Speaker 2
Program.
00:27:57:21 - 00:28:01:20
Speaker 3
I'm actually really enjoying it. I'm not I'm not as strong and I'm actually not a strong guy.
00:28:01:21 - 00:28:06:02
Speaker 2
It looks like I feel like I'm like dead lifting weights.
00:28:06:02 - 00:28:10:06
Speaker 3
That would be like a decent bench press for a moderately strong human.
00:28:10:13 - 00:28:15:01
Speaker 2
It also. Yeah, but I really enjoy really enjoying.
00:28:15:11 - 00:28:16:10
Speaker 3
Challenging myself.
00:28:17:08 - 00:28:18:20
Speaker 2
In that domain. So I'm.
00:28:19:02 - 00:28:22:03
Speaker 3
I'm doing a structured strength and conditioning program just because it's not an area.
00:28:22:03 - 00:28:33:04
Speaker 2
That I know anything about really. And it's so but I mean basically the how they work probably.
00:28:33:04 - 00:28:34:23
Speaker 3
The best research summarizing it would.
00:28:34:23 - 00:28:41:10
Speaker 2
Be like one day off a week and.
00:28:41:10 - 00:28:44:08
Speaker 3
Then sort of two to.
00:28:44:08 - 00:28:47:17
Speaker 2
Three shorter well back outings.
00:28:47:17 - 00:28:54:01
Speaker 3
So that's anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours to strength sessions a.
00:28:54:01 - 00:28:55:02
Speaker 2
Week.
00:28:55:02 - 00:28:56:18
Speaker 3
2 to 3 days in the climbing gym.
00:28:56:18 - 00:28:59:09
Speaker 2
And then 2 to 3 longer.
00:28:59:09 - 00:29:01:08
Speaker 3
Days in the mountains. And that's anywhere from four.
00:29:01:08 - 00:29:01:16
Speaker 2
To.
00:29:02:14 - 00:29:06:11
Speaker 3
Three days. Yeah, 4 hours to three days.
00:29:07:06 - 00:29:09:01
Speaker 2
Depending what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah.
00:29:09:12 - 00:29:13:01
Speaker 1
No, totally. Steph. Definitely a high training volume, obviously, for sure.
00:29:13:14 - 00:29:20:19
Speaker 2
Yeah. No, very high training volume. I mean I'm definitely training, you know, from like 20.
00:29:21:11 - 00:29:24:03
Speaker 3
I'd say somewhere between 20 and 40 hours a week.
00:29:24:03 - 00:29:28:21
Speaker 2
Coming the depending on the week, 15 to 40.
00:29:28:21 - 00:29:29:08
Speaker 3
Hours.
00:29:29:11 - 00:29:31:09
Speaker 2
To 40 being like at the very.
00:29:31:09 - 00:29:31:22
Speaker 3
Very extreme.
00:29:31:22 - 00:29:32:17
Speaker 2
End. But yeah.
00:29:33:05 - 00:29:46:15
Speaker 1
So I guess one thing I would like to jump to particularly Hardrock 100 prior prior to your incident in 2016, you were struck by lightning.
00:29:48:00 - 00:29:48:18
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:29:48:18 - 00:30:02:03
Speaker 1
In mind telling that a little bit. I know it's such a easy kind of cash grab for an audience or anything, but it's just such a unique story. You know, I can't not ask about it. Do you mind just telling a little bit about that and what that was like?
00:30:02:16 - 00:30:05:22
Speaker 2
Yeah, I know for sure. So for people who don't know, the Hardrock Hundred is.
00:30:05:22 - 00:30:06:05
Speaker 3
A.
00:30:06:20 - 00:30:09:06
Speaker 2
It's a really cool 100 mile.
00:30:09:06 - 00:30:10:05
Speaker 3
Race in the San Juan.
00:30:10:05 - 00:30:15:19
Speaker 2
Mountains of Colorado. Uh, it's it's maybe like one, maybe the.
00:30:15:19 - 00:30:17:07
Speaker 3
Hardest hundred mile race in North.
00:30:17:07 - 00:30:18:18
Speaker 2
America, if not the world.
00:30:19:22 - 00:30:23:16
Speaker 3
You've 33,000 feet of elevation gain.
00:30:23:16 - 00:30:24:21
Speaker 2
So ten. Oh, you're.
00:30:24:22 - 00:30:25:05
Speaker 4
Not.
00:30:26:18 - 00:30:27:14
Speaker 2
You're at an average.
00:30:27:14 - 00:30:31:13
Speaker 3
Elevation of 11,000 feet. So the lowest point you go is 9000 feet.
00:30:31:23 - 00:30:32:06
Speaker 2
And the.
00:30:32:06 - 00:30:44:14
Speaker 3
Highest is 14, 14,000 feet. So it's you know, you're at high altitude, you know, really, really beautiful mountains. And it's always the second.
00:30:44:14 - 00:30:46:10
Speaker 2
Week or third week in July.
00:30:46:20 - 00:30:51:04
Speaker 3
And so also really beautiful because the snow is a certain amount. And so all these like really.
00:30:51:16 - 00:30:52:12
Speaker 2
Beautiful alpine.
00:30:52:12 - 00:30:54:03
Speaker 3
Flowers started to come out and.
00:30:56:05 - 00:30:57:17
Speaker 2
And it attracts like.
00:30:58:02 - 00:31:00:03
Speaker 3
You know, some of the top racers in the world.
00:31:00:03 - 00:31:01:07
Speaker 2
But it.
00:31:01:16 - 00:31:06:14
Speaker 3
Has a really small field. Size is only 140 people in the race. So it's quite.
00:31:06:14 - 00:31:07:16
Speaker 2
Like an elite.
00:31:08:03 - 00:31:09:07
Speaker 3
Style race as well.
00:31:09:09 - 00:31:10:02
Speaker 2
To get into.
00:31:10:13 - 00:31:11:12
Speaker 1
You have to qualify.
00:31:12:15 - 00:31:13:15
Speaker 2
Yeah, you have to qualify.
00:31:13:15 - 00:31:14:02
Speaker 3
And then there's a.
00:31:14:02 - 00:31:14:15
Speaker 2
Lottery.
00:31:14:22 - 00:31:19:13
Speaker 3
On top of that, the only person that gets in automatically is the previous year's winner.
00:31:20:08 - 00:31:22:15
Speaker 2
Yeah. Oh, but it's one of.
00:31:22:15 - 00:31:24:08
Speaker 3
Those races that kind of gets in your spirit.
00:31:24:08 - 00:31:24:13
Speaker 2
Of.
00:31:25:09 - 00:31:27:13
Speaker 3
You start in the town of Silverton and you run.
00:31:27:13 - 00:31:28:16
Speaker 2
Through you're.
00:31:28:20 - 00:31:40:04
Speaker 3
In Telluride. So it's a really just a really beautiful static loop and it changes directions every year. So it alternates directions year to year, so clockwise and counterclockwise.
00:31:40:11 - 00:31:42:14
Speaker 2
So it's a really, really cool environment.
00:31:43:12 - 00:31:44:07
Speaker 3
So the first year.
00:31:44:07 - 00:31:45:04
Speaker 2
I rented.
00:31:45:04 - 00:31:45:17
Speaker 3
Which I.
00:31:45:17 - 00:31:46:10
Speaker 2
Believe.
00:31:46:10 - 00:31:49:18
Speaker 3
Was 2014.
00:31:49:18 - 00:31:53:10
Speaker 2
I, I was having a, having a really.
00:31:53:10 - 00:31:56:14
Speaker 3
Good race and I found myself in third place, which was.
00:31:57:00 - 00:31:57:09
Speaker 2
Kind of.
00:31:57:09 - 00:31:58:05
Speaker 3
Unexpected.
00:31:58:14 - 00:32:02:13
Speaker 2
For me. And the way.
00:32:02:15 - 00:32:05:20
Speaker 3
The race works is it starts at 6:00 in.
00:32:05:20 - 00:32:09:03
Speaker 2
The morning and typically takes the winner around.
00:32:09:06 - 00:32:13:09
Speaker 3
24 hours. And that kind of a time range or.
00:32:13:10 - 00:32:13:16
Speaker 2
Yes.
00:32:13:23 - 00:32:17:07
Speaker 3
Just just under 24 hours.
00:32:17:07 - 00:32:20:09
Speaker 2
And we were going long.
00:32:20:09 - 00:32:26:01
Speaker 3
And in the second half of the race, you allowed to pick up a pacer because you're quite remote, so you're allowed to pick up somebody to run.
00:32:26:01 - 00:32:26:11
Speaker 2
With you.
00:32:27:00 - 00:32:31:01
Speaker 3
For safety purposes because it feels quite spread out.
00:32:31:01 - 00:32:34:14
Speaker 2
And, you know, you have you know.
00:32:34:14 - 00:32:38:14
Speaker 3
If you're spring your ankles pretty bad. So there and so I.
00:32:38:14 - 00:32:39:07
Speaker 2
Picked up my.
00:32:39:07 - 00:32:40:03
Speaker 3
My pacer who's a good.
00:32:40:03 - 00:32:42:01
Speaker 2
Friend of mine height and.
00:32:42:01 - 00:32:46:23
Speaker 3
We were approaching the highest point in the race, which is handy speed, which is one of the 14,000 foot peaks.
00:32:47:11 - 00:32:48:03
Speaker 2
And.
00:32:49:07 - 00:32:49:18
Speaker 3
Summertime.
00:32:49:18 - 00:32:52:16
Speaker 2
In Colorado. And people know, you know, you can get these.
00:32:52:16 - 00:33:00:20
Speaker 3
Big electrical storms that roll through and you basically want to not be in the mountains, in the afternoon. And it's just a prime time for when we're running through the peaks. And so I picked up.
00:33:00:20 - 00:33:02:10
Speaker 2
Erin and we were making.
00:33:02:10 - 00:33:06:10
Speaker 3
Our way towards the summit, and we could see this really beautiful electrical storm off in the distance.
00:33:08:09 - 00:33:10:07
Speaker 2
And Andes Peak, it's.
00:33:10:13 - 00:33:11:17
Speaker 3
You know, you're obviously well above.
00:33:11:17 - 00:33:12:10
Speaker 2
Treeline.
00:33:12:10 - 00:33:14:00
Speaker 3
And it's this big.
00:33:14:00 - 00:33:15:10
Speaker 2
Domed peak when you're out.
00:33:15:10 - 00:33:22:17
Speaker 3
There. So there's no real shelter. And so we could see the storm off in the distance, but we both figured that we.
00:33:22:17 - 00:33:27:16
Speaker 2
Were we were okay. Sunset, polar headlamps and right as.
00:33:27:16 - 00:33:28:03
Speaker 3
We were.
00:33:28:05 - 00:33:29:16
Speaker 2
Were maybe a couple of.
00:33:29:16 - 00:33:32:02
Speaker 3
Hundred meters from the summit. So, you know, six or 700.
00:33:32:02 - 00:33:35:02
Speaker 2
Feet, we saw.
00:33:35:02 - 00:33:37:10
Speaker 3
The sun. We all of a sudden the storm rolled.
00:33:37:10 - 00:33:40:00
Speaker 2
Through and we.
00:33:40:00 - 00:33:41:02
Speaker 3
Saw the summit get struck.
00:33:41:02 - 00:33:42:18
Speaker 2
By lightning. And we're like.
00:33:43:04 - 00:33:43:18
Speaker 3
This is really.
00:33:43:18 - 00:33:44:06
Speaker 2
Not a.
00:33:44:06 - 00:33:45:08
Speaker 3
Good situation to.
00:33:45:08 - 00:33:45:18
Speaker 2
Be in.
00:33:47:01 - 00:33:48:03
Speaker 3
But there was no shelter.
00:33:48:11 - 00:33:48:16
Speaker 2
Though.
00:33:48:16 - 00:33:51:03
Speaker 3
We knew that there was a boulder field over on the other side.
00:33:51:21 - 00:33:52:20
Speaker 2
So we.
00:33:53:19 - 00:33:54:12
Speaker 3
Decided.
00:33:54:19 - 00:33:54:23
Speaker 2
The.
00:33:54:23 - 00:33:58:01
Speaker 3
Best course of action was to sort of look it up. And over this peak.
00:33:58:01 - 00:33:59:16
Speaker 2
And the basically.
00:33:59:16 - 00:34:04:02
Speaker 3
The second we hit the summit was we're in you know, it's dark at this.
00:34:04:02 - 00:34:08:06
Speaker 2
Point and it's quite cold is we're we're very high up and I'm.
00:34:08:06 - 00:34:09:06
Speaker 3
In shorts and wearing.
00:34:09:06 - 00:34:14:10
Speaker 2
A windbreaker and a rain jacket. But in about an Aaron's.
00:34:14:10 - 00:34:15:09
Speaker 3
More or less we're in the same.
00:34:15:09 - 00:34:17:12
Speaker 2
But not really not very well equipped.
00:34:17:21 - 00:34:18:18
Speaker 3
For the conditions out.
00:34:18:19 - 00:34:19:02
Speaker 2
There.
00:34:19:19 - 00:34:22:04
Speaker 3
And all of a sudden it felt like a mortar shell.
00:34:22:04 - 00:34:24:07
Speaker 2
Went off and both Aaron and I got.
00:34:24:07 - 00:34:25:09
Speaker 3
Knocked over the edge.
00:34:25:23 - 00:34:28:22
Speaker 2
Um, and, you know.
00:34:29:14 - 00:34:31:00
Speaker 3
Some on the ground stunned.
00:34:31:00 - 00:34:38:10
Speaker 2
And I look over there and I'm like, Holy fuck, are you okay? I'm okay. And I was like.
00:34:38:19 - 00:34:42:14
Speaker 3
You know, I realized that my headlamp was out. And so what had happened is that.
00:34:43:05 - 00:34:44:10
Speaker 2
We didn't have a direct hit.
00:34:45:02 - 00:34:46:00
Speaker 3
Which, you know, could.
00:34:46:00 - 00:34:47:11
Speaker 2
Have been fatal or.
00:34:47:19 - 00:34:50:11
Speaker 3
Very, very serious. So so what happened was there was a.
00:34:50:11 - 00:34:50:22
Speaker 2
Ground.
00:34:51:13 - 00:34:53:09
Speaker 3
Ground strike somewhere close to us, went.
00:34:53:09 - 00:34:54:22
Speaker 2
Through the ground and then up through.
00:34:54:22 - 00:34:55:11
Speaker 3
Us and.
00:34:55:23 - 00:34:56:16
Speaker 2
My headlamp.
00:34:56:16 - 00:34:58:16
Speaker 3
Had actually exploded like actually the burn.
00:34:58:16 - 00:35:02:03
Speaker 2
Mark on my headlamp from it.
00:35:02:03 - 00:35:03:16
Speaker 3
But fortunately both Aaron and I were.
00:35:03:16 - 00:35:04:03
Speaker 2
Fine.
00:35:05:06 - 00:35:06:04
Speaker 3
And so we.
00:35:06:04 - 00:35:08:23
Speaker 2
Both got out and Aaron got behind.
00:35:09:01 - 00:35:10:05
Speaker 3
I did have a spare headlamp.
00:35:10:05 - 00:35:13:12
Speaker 2
In my in my pack, but we didn't really want to be.
00:35:13:12 - 00:35:16:12
Speaker 3
Messing with it because we were still in the middle of the storm. And so Aaron.
00:35:16:12 - 00:35:18:01
Speaker 2
Got behind me and.
00:35:18:01 - 00:35:19:12
Speaker 3
We ran as quickly as we could.
00:35:19:12 - 00:35:20:10
Speaker 2
Off the mountain.
00:35:21:19 - 00:35:26:00
Speaker 3
Until we get to safety. And then we did like another assessment. We're like, Are you actually okay?
00:35:26:11 - 00:35:34:09
Speaker 2
It's like, Yeah, I'm fine and I'm okay. We got to up and, and this was around mile.
00:35:34:09 - 00:35:34:19
Speaker 3
60.
00:35:34:19 - 00:35:35:17
Speaker 2
Five of 100.
00:35:35:17 - 00:35:35:19
Speaker 3
Or.
00:35:36:01 - 00:35:37:15
Speaker 2
So maybe. Yeah.
00:35:37:15 - 00:35:38:12
Speaker 3
Or mile 60.
00:35:38:12 - 00:35:39:17
Speaker 2
So somewhere in the 100, 100.
00:35:39:17 - 00:35:46:09
Speaker 3
And ten K range. So we still had 40 miles to run, so another 50 or 60 kilometers to run.
00:35:46:23 - 00:35:50:17
Speaker 2
And, and you run through.
00:35:50:17 - 00:36:00:16
Speaker 3
Eight stations throughout the race. And when we got down to the next aid station, Aaron level. So we didn't want to tell anybody that this had happened in case they pulled me from the course because I was in third place and I was feeling.
00:36:00:16 - 00:36:03:04
Speaker 2
Fine and I went on and ended up.
00:36:03:04 - 00:36:04:11
Speaker 3
Finishing the race in third.
00:36:05:06 - 00:36:06:13
Speaker 2
And it's kind of a.
00:36:06:14 - 00:36:08:22
Speaker 3
Wild scene because some people actually saw us.
00:36:09:14 - 00:36:10:06
Speaker 2
In the valley.
00:36:10:06 - 00:36:13:03
Speaker 3
And saw our headlamps up there. And so when I finish, word had.
00:36:13:03 - 00:36:14:04
Speaker 2
Kind of gotten over.
00:36:14:06 - 00:36:15:03
Speaker 3
This incident.
00:36:15:03 - 00:36:16:00
Speaker 2
Happened and.
00:36:17:01 - 00:36:19:06
Speaker 3
Next thing I knew I was getting calls and it seems.
00:36:21:17 - 00:36:24:04
Speaker 2
Like it was a lightning bolt. I was actually a really good.
00:36:24:04 - 00:36:24:13
Speaker 3
Race and.
00:36:25:03 - 00:36:26:06
Speaker 2
All you could talk about.
00:36:26:06 - 00:36:26:23
Speaker 3
Is the lightning.
00:36:26:23 - 00:36:29:00
Speaker 2
Strike. But, you know.
00:36:29:03 - 00:36:29:07
Speaker 3
It's.
00:36:29:16 - 00:36:30:14
Speaker 2
Not you.
00:36:30:15 - 00:36:32:03
Speaker 3
Know, it's a it's a news story.
00:36:32:08 - 00:36:39:22
Speaker 2
There. And I really, really lucky that we we were okay. I'm not really proud of it in retrospect. But, you know, we made.
00:36:40:07 - 00:36:42:19
Speaker 3
A decision with the information that we sort of had.
00:36:43:09 - 00:36:45:05
Speaker 2
I don't know I don't know if it would.
00:36:45:05 - 00:36:46:04
Speaker 3
Make a different decision.
00:36:46:04 - 00:36:46:16
Speaker 2
Like, you know.
00:36:46:17 - 00:36:47:19
Speaker 3
Whether smarter.
00:36:47:19 - 00:36:49:07
Speaker 2
Is like hunkered down.
00:36:49:07 - 00:36:49:15
Speaker 3
And sort.
00:36:49:15 - 00:36:51:16
Speaker 2
Of gone back from where we were.
00:36:51:22 - 00:36:53:16
Speaker 3
Maybe in retrospect, that would be you.
00:36:53:16 - 00:36:58:19
Speaker 4
Were in third place, man. You got to keep going.
00:36:58:19 - 00:36:59:06
Speaker 2
I don't think.
00:36:59:06 - 00:37:00:17
Speaker 3
Dying is worth finishing third.
00:37:01:14 - 00:37:03:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. And I went.
00:37:03:04 - 00:37:05:20
Speaker 3
Back the next year and finished third again and my nickname was Sparky.
00:37:05:20 - 00:37:06:10
Speaker 2
So.
00:37:06:22 - 00:37:11:17
Speaker 4
Wow, that's cool. Yeah, third again. That's what she did. 24 and 20.
00:37:11:17 - 00:37:15:00
Speaker 1
Four, 2015. Third, third place both times, correct?
00:37:15:06 - 00:37:16:00
Speaker 2
Yeah. Correct.
00:37:16:01 - 00:37:27:09
Speaker 1
What did you do for a acclimatization? Because obviously you don't want to go from a much like lower altitude to being at 4000 meters. I mean, I'm guessing that would be my assumption. So yeah.
00:37:27:17 - 00:37:31:22
Speaker 2
That was actually really even.
00:37:31:22 - 00:37:32:23
Speaker 3
Better better story.
00:37:32:23 - 00:37:42:19
Speaker 2
Than than that. I didn't acclimate at all. In fact, the week before Hardrock, my, my younger brother, my only brother got married.
00:37:42:19 - 00:37:44:02
Speaker 3
In Spain on the beach.
00:37:44:02 - 00:37:48:00
Speaker 2
And I was literally playing tequila volleyball on the beach the week before.
00:37:48:00 - 00:37:51:13
Speaker 4
Hardrock Yeah. Okay. So for us, for.
00:37:51:13 - 00:37:53:04
Speaker 1
Everyone listening, that's the secret.
00:37:53:04 - 00:37:57:13
Speaker 4
You got a big, big event. Tequila. Volleyball, apparently.
00:37:59:01 - 00:38:01:21
Speaker 1
Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's really interesting. I wouldn't I wouldn't have guessed that.
00:38:01:21 - 00:38:04:21
Speaker 2
No, I mean, there's a few things. Well, one.
00:38:05:08 - 00:38:08:21
Speaker 3
Unfortunate that I handle altitude fairly well up to.
00:38:09:23 - 00:38:10:11
Speaker 2
Around.
00:38:10:11 - 00:38:12:04
Speaker 3
5000 meters and.
00:38:12:19 - 00:38:13:08
Speaker 2
About.
00:38:13:08 - 00:38:13:22
Speaker 3
5000 a.
00:38:13:22 - 00:38:15:07
Speaker 2
Year, you know? Yeah.
00:38:15:11 - 00:38:17:09
Speaker 3
In 5000 years, they definitely start to slow down.
00:38:17:09 - 00:38:18:15
Speaker 2
Quite a bit.
00:38:18:15 - 00:38:23:08
Speaker 3
So it's something in my physiology that seems to help there. And then also, you know, like.
00:38:23:08 - 00:38:23:23
Speaker 2
Family really.
00:38:23:23 - 00:38:25:23
Speaker 3
Matters. And so being there for my.
00:38:25:23 - 00:38:26:09
Speaker 2
Brother.
00:38:26:13 - 00:38:28:15
Speaker 3
I was the best man. This wedding was.
00:38:29:01 - 00:38:30:00
Speaker 2
Far more important than.
00:38:30:00 - 00:38:36:23
Speaker 3
Any race. And I think it also sort of took away a lot of stress and pressure.
00:38:36:23 - 00:38:38:10
Speaker 2
You know, of of the event.
00:38:38:10 - 00:38:40:03
Speaker 3
And, you know, it's I think these things.
00:38:40:13 - 00:38:41:11
Speaker 2
Even though I.
00:38:43:02 - 00:38:49:20
Speaker 3
Was a professional athlete, you know, you also have to have your priorities, right? Sort of being there for family was far more.
00:38:49:20 - 00:38:54:10
Speaker 2
Important than that. And, you know, I think having gone.
00:38:55:12 - 00:38:56:16
Speaker 3
To their race or.
00:38:56:16 - 00:39:00:15
Speaker 2
To the event a lot earlier, you know, there may I may have felt.
00:39:00:15 - 00:39:01:17
Speaker 3
More stress going.
00:39:01:17 - 00:39:02:16
Speaker 2
Into it. And may have not.
00:39:02:16 - 00:39:03:15
Speaker 3
Been able to perform at the same.
00:39:03:15 - 00:39:04:00
Speaker 2
Degree.
00:39:04:19 - 00:39:07:09
Speaker 3
And then the next year, I also didn't.
00:39:07:09 - 00:39:08:03
Speaker 2
Go down early.
00:39:08:03 - 00:39:15:14
Speaker 3
I was working as a lawyer then. I didn't have that much vacation time. And so I sort of flew in four days before the race and.
00:39:16:02 - 00:39:20:00
Speaker 2
Sort of planned on having a headache and a little bit and slowing.
00:39:20:00 - 00:39:21:20
Speaker 3
Down. It was like, you're running all that fast.
00:39:22:03 - 00:39:22:22
Speaker 2
In a 100 mile.
00:39:22:22 - 00:39:24:00
Speaker 3
Race at 40,000.
00:39:24:00 - 00:39:26:20
Speaker 2
Feet anyway. And that is kind of what he said. Oh.
00:39:28:04 - 00:39:32:00
Speaker 4
Yeah. What's the average mile time that you clocked for that race?
00:39:32:00 - 00:39:33:03
Speaker 3
Oh, I have no idea.
00:39:33:12 - 00:39:34:23
Speaker 2
The okay.
00:39:35:00 - 00:39:41:12
Speaker 3
Mean, I was 25 hours or 24 hours for 100 miles. So whatever that is.
00:39:41:12 - 00:39:41:17
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:39:42:17 - 00:40:06:14
Speaker 1
All right. So, you know, we've kind of come around to 2015 now and I mean, there's there's obvious elephant in the room around 2016. So we might as well discuss that and go into that. And, you know, so for anybody who's listening, who doesn't know and not really familiar with your story, you know, obviously a pretty interesting event happened to you in 2016.
00:40:06:14 - 00:40:12:03
Speaker 1
And I'm wondering if maybe you can do kind of a dove into that and explain what was going on there.
00:40:12:18 - 00:40:15:05
Speaker 3
Yeah, no, for sure. So it was just.
00:40:15:05 - 00:40:16:14
Speaker 2
Around that time a.
00:40:16:23 - 00:40:17:19
Speaker 3
You know, it's a.
00:40:17:19 - 00:40:18:20
Speaker 2
Lot more time in the.
00:40:18:20 - 00:40:19:10
Speaker 3
Mountains.
00:40:20:19 - 00:40:21:11
Speaker 2
Climbing.
00:40:21:11 - 00:40:22:23
Speaker 3
Like classic routes like Mt..
00:40:22:23 - 00:40:25:02
Speaker 2
Assiniboine and you know, like.
00:40:25:18 - 00:40:34:13
Speaker 3
Melissa Donald and Roger's past or people who know those routes through more classic, like easy moderate Alpine routes.
00:40:36:00 - 00:40:38:20
Speaker 2
And in.
00:40:39:08 - 00:40:39:19
Speaker 3
20.
00:40:39:19 - 00:40:40:21
Speaker 2
16 and one of.
00:40:40:21 - 00:40:45:09
Speaker 3
The things I started, like trying to do is trying to do a lot of these things like sort of fast or trying.
00:40:45:09 - 00:40:46:01
Speaker 2
To find.
00:40:46:13 - 00:40:50:05
Speaker 3
Like two or three day mountaineering routes and try to do them in a day or. And a simple question.
00:40:51:11 - 00:40:51:16
Speaker 2
Sort.
00:40:52:02 - 00:40:53:19
Speaker 3
So like real, like sky running.
00:40:53:19 - 00:40:54:11
Speaker 2
Style.
00:40:54:23 - 00:40:55:12
Speaker 3
Routes.
00:40:56:01 - 00:40:58:00
Speaker 2
And one of the an.
00:40:58:00 - 00:41:06:19
Speaker 3
Objective that sort of caught my imagination was this route in Roger's path that the horseshoe traverse and the horseshoe traverse is basically linking up 14 peaks over.
00:41:06:19 - 00:41:07:21
Speaker 2
On the.
00:41:08:02 - 00:41:10:09
Speaker 3
Donald side. So, you.
00:41:10:09 - 00:41:11:22
Speaker 2
Know, for people, you.
00:41:11:22 - 00:41:12:17
Speaker 3
Know, sort of.
00:41:12:17 - 00:41:15:03
Speaker 2
Doing like the average.
00:41:15:03 - 00:41:17:14
Speaker 3
Eagles or Donald's terminal.
00:41:17:14 - 00:41:20:11
Speaker 2
Peak yeah. Young speak then you do.
00:41:20:11 - 00:41:24:08
Speaker 3
The assaulting tourist and so a bunch of really classic.
00:41:24:13 - 00:41:25:20
Speaker 2
Lines all on their own.
00:41:25:20 - 00:41:28:04
Speaker 3
And so the idea was to try to link these things up.
00:41:28:21 - 00:41:33:00
Speaker 2
People would typically do it in 3 to 5 days, is more of a.
00:41:33:00 - 00:41:33:22
Speaker 3
Traditional mountaineering.
00:41:33:22 - 00:41:36:14
Speaker 2
Route and figured you could probably do it in a day.
00:41:36:15 - 00:41:40:04
Speaker 3
Just sort of looking at the statistics on it and it's gonna be a long.
00:41:40:04 - 00:41:41:02
Speaker 2
Day, you know, a.
00:41:41:02 - 00:41:42:07
Speaker 3
Day based on the other slots.
00:41:42:10 - 00:41:46:18
Speaker 2
So those thing we probably doing, you know, 24 to 30.
00:41:46:18 - 00:41:47:06
Speaker 3
Hours.
00:41:47:18 - 00:41:50:14
Speaker 2
And and by the way, the only way to really.
00:41:50:14 - 00:41:52:05
Speaker 3
Do that is to move really fast.
00:41:53:02 - 00:41:56:04
Speaker 2
You know, solo, everything that you might.
00:41:56:04 - 00:42:04:21
Speaker 3
Have to is rappelling. There's a little bit of glacier travel involved as well. But, you know, it's there's no trail. It's not a trail. It's an alpine.
00:42:04:22 - 00:42:05:13
Speaker 2
Mountaineering.
00:42:05:13 - 00:42:11:10
Speaker 3
Route, for sure. And I had two friends, Dakota Jones and Nick Ellison.
00:42:11:23 - 00:42:14:17
Speaker 2
Who are both world class runners.
00:42:14:18 - 00:42:18:04
Speaker 3
Now, that is themselves. And Nick has the speed.
00:42:18:04 - 00:42:23:18
Speaker 2
Record on Half Dome and the the.
00:42:23:18 - 00:42:28:13
Speaker 3
Teton Traverse and Dakota Jones and.
00:42:28:13 - 00:42:29:22
Speaker 2
Hardrock. And the.
00:42:30:11 - 00:42:31:19
Speaker 3
Finished third this year.
00:42:32:00 - 00:42:36:11
Speaker 2
You know, really grew up in Durango climbing.
00:42:36:11 - 00:42:37:18
Speaker 3
And she got.
00:42:37:19 - 00:42:41:02
Speaker 2
Really, really highly, highly competent mountain athletes.
00:42:41:14 - 00:42:44:05
Speaker 3
With sort of an endurance trait. And so, you.
00:42:44:15 - 00:42:44:16
Speaker 2
Know.
00:42:44:20 - 00:42:46:08
Speaker 3
We saw that the weather sort of lined.
00:42:46:08 - 00:42:49:02
Speaker 2
Up perfectly and when you got the right.
00:42:49:07 - 00:42:50:05
Speaker 3
Partners in the right.
00:42:50:05 - 00:42:50:17
Speaker 2
Weather.
00:42:51:14 - 00:42:53:04
Speaker 3
Views, it was worth giving it a shot.
00:42:53:04 - 00:42:54:08
Speaker 2
So on.
00:42:54:22 - 00:42:56:07
Speaker 3
August 30th of 20.
00:42:56:07 - 00:43:01:12
Speaker 2
16, we set out to try to do.
00:43:01:21 - 00:43:02:20
Speaker 3
Try to do this route and.
00:43:03:17 - 00:43:05:10
Speaker 2
You know, read moving really well.
00:43:05:10 - 00:43:07:04
Speaker 3
Like super efficiently and having a great.
00:43:07:04 - 00:43:08:20
Speaker 2
Time like not.
00:43:09:18 - 00:43:10:08
Speaker 3
This is not.
00:43:10:08 - 00:43:11:05
Speaker 2
Actually you're not really.
00:43:11:05 - 00:43:14:04
Speaker 3
Moving faster. You just kind of moving efficiently throughout it.
00:43:14:21 - 00:43:16:13
Speaker 2
And we made our way.
00:43:16:13 - 00:43:18:01
Speaker 3
Across the first few peaks and.
00:43:18:05 - 00:43:19:11
Speaker 2
Suddenly we.
00:43:19:11 - 00:43:24:15
Speaker 3
Came to this, you know, you could see Donald off in the distance, which is a really striking ridgeline.
00:43:25:10 - 00:43:26:03
Speaker 2
And one the.
00:43:26:03 - 00:43:28:01
Speaker 3
It was one of the classic 50 seconds in North.
00:43:28:01 - 00:43:28:15
Speaker 2
America.
00:43:28:15 - 00:43:30:13
Speaker 3
And just a stunning, stunning.
00:43:30:18 - 00:43:31:19
Speaker 2
Like not not hard, but.
00:43:32:02 - 00:43:33:07
Speaker 3
Insane exposure.
00:43:34:21 - 00:43:35:09
Speaker 2
On it.
00:43:35:09 - 00:43:36:19
Speaker 3
And, you know, I think it's like five.
00:43:36:19 - 00:43:38:10
Speaker 2
Four but 850.
00:43:38:10 - 00:43:40:23
Speaker 3
Meters. So like, you know, 3000 feet.
00:43:40:23 - 00:43:41:09
Speaker 2
Of.
00:43:41:20 - 00:43:45:23
Speaker 3
Five four is just amazing, awesome, awesome. Lakeside walk in the sky, kind of stuff.
00:43:45:23 - 00:43:49:17
Speaker 2
But, you know, you thought you like really, you know, people do die on a plate.
00:43:50:13 - 00:43:52:02
Speaker 3
Know fortunately.
00:43:52:02 - 00:43:53:04
Speaker 2
Fairly regularly.
00:43:53:13 - 00:43:54:04
Speaker 3
And so it's sort of.
00:43:54:18 - 00:43:55:22
Speaker 2
Looming over over the.
00:43:55:22 - 00:43:56:13
Speaker 3
Ridgeline.
00:43:57:05 - 00:43:57:08
Speaker 2
As.
00:43:57:09 - 00:44:02:16
Speaker 3
We're getting towards it. And so we're going up this thing called the Salter Tower. And I was.
00:44:02:16 - 00:44:03:22
Speaker 2
Lagging a bit behind Deck.
00:44:03:22 - 00:44:04:21
Speaker 3
And Dakota was having a bit.
00:44:04:21 - 00:44:05:22
Speaker 2
Of a low, low point.
00:44:05:22 - 00:44:06:23
Speaker 3
And I was actually feeling.
00:44:06:23 - 00:44:07:08
Speaker 2
A little bit.
00:44:07:08 - 00:44:08:09
Speaker 3
Bad, but I was holding them.
00:44:08:09 - 00:44:08:15
Speaker 2
Up.
00:44:09:06 - 00:44:13:01
Speaker 3
Mentally. And so I wasn't really paying attention. I was kind of rushing.
00:44:13:03 - 00:44:13:16
Speaker 2
And.
00:44:15:16 - 00:44:16:06
Speaker 3
Next thing.
00:44:16:06 - 00:44:19:07
Speaker 2
I knew, I, I, I.
00:44:20:06 - 00:44:21:18
Speaker 3
You know, it's all, it's like.
00:44:22:10 - 00:44:22:20
Speaker 2
The.
00:44:22:20 - 00:44:24:01
Speaker 3
Rock. There's quite sight, like.
00:44:24:15 - 00:44:25:20
Speaker 2
Really big and blocky.
00:44:26:19 - 00:44:27:15
Speaker 3
So they pull on this.
00:44:27:15 - 00:44:28:17
Speaker 2
Block and.
00:44:29:01 - 00:44:41:07
Speaker 3
Of the smaller size, maybe a small ridge and awesome the block shifts and pulls out on me. And next thing I knew, I was tumbling. So you guys are hitting me?
00:44:41:17 - 00:45:06:10
Speaker 4
No, sorry. I'm just laughing. In our. In our last podcast. In our last podcast, we we, we made the joke and the observation that rocks are all now like compared to appliances. And it was so, it was so funny that you just nailed it right on the call. It's so perfect. So quiet.
00:45:07:13 - 00:45:11:11
Speaker 3
But it was it was a fairly it was a large it was actually quite a large sized block.
00:45:11:16 - 00:45:11:21
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:45:12:00 - 00:45:12:21
Speaker 1
Almost fridge size.
00:45:12:21 - 00:45:14:09
Speaker 2
Which although.
00:45:14:10 - 00:45:19:12
Speaker 4
Yes, it's not small for small fridge like the one I had in my college dorm by my bed.
00:45:19:18 - 00:45:22:07
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. The one.
00:45:22:08 - 00:45:23:06
Speaker 3
All six beers.
00:45:23:06 - 00:45:24:08
Speaker 2
Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
00:45:24:21 - 00:45:26:11
Speaker 3
So Next thing you know, I'm.
00:45:28:00 - 00:45:28:13
Speaker 2
I find.
00:45:28:13 - 00:45:28:22
Speaker 3
Myself.
00:45:28:22 - 00:45:31:18
Speaker 2
Falling backwards.
00:45:31:18 - 00:45:32:03
Speaker 3
And.
00:45:32:07 - 00:45:37:16
Speaker 2
I mean, I do remember looking and.
00:45:37:16 - 00:45:39:12
Speaker 3
Seeing the skyline.
00:45:39:17 - 00:45:42:15
Speaker 2
Behind me. The mountain was like really beautiful mountain view.
00:45:42:15 - 00:45:43:13
Speaker 3
Like, flipped upside.
00:45:43:13 - 00:45:46:15
Speaker 2
Down, you know, in a member thinking how.
00:45:47:16 - 00:45:51:13
Speaker 3
Strange it was I was going to see because I was convinced I was going to die.
00:45:53:04 - 00:45:56:06
Speaker 2
And but that's the way with all.
00:45:56:06 - 00:45:58:22
Speaker 3
The face was. It's not a sheer class like it's.
00:45:59:14 - 00:46:00:17
Speaker 2
It's quite blocky.
00:46:00:17 - 00:46:01:09
Speaker 3
And so.
00:46:01:09 - 00:46:04:11
Speaker 2
I ended up falling onto a ledge.
00:46:04:11 - 00:46:05:02
Speaker 3
And I was.
00:46:05:02 - 00:46:06:08
Speaker 2
Wearing a helmet.
00:46:08:07 - 00:46:09:12
Speaker 3
And I was carrying the.
00:46:09:12 - 00:46:10:12
Speaker 2
Rope in my pack.
00:46:10:12 - 00:46:14:15
Speaker 3
And so I was sort of going like over teakettle. And so I remember.
00:46:14:15 - 00:46:20:17
Speaker 2
Hitting my head and back and then flipping off the thing and then hitting another ledge.
00:46:20:17 - 00:46:21:03
Speaker 3
And.
00:46:21:11 - 00:46:25:21
Speaker 2
Thinking, okay, maybe I'm okay, and then falling again like Spock and I'm dead.
00:46:27:01 - 00:46:28:02
Speaker 3
And so I was just tumbling.
00:46:28:02 - 00:46:28:15
Speaker 2
Down.
00:46:28:15 - 00:46:29:21
Speaker 3
This face and.
00:46:30:06 - 00:46:33:17
Speaker 2
End up falling about 300 feet.
00:46:34:05 - 00:46:42:17
Speaker 3
So 80 to 100 meters and yeah, and all of a sudden, though, I realized I wasn't falling anymore.
00:46:43:16 - 00:46:44:18
Speaker 2
And I looked down and all.
00:46:44:18 - 00:46:45:14
Speaker 3
I could see was a.
00:46:45:14 - 00:46:46:18
Speaker 2
Pool of blood and.
00:46:47:09 - 00:46:48:21
Speaker 3
It was on a pile of story.
00:46:49:07 - 00:46:51:16
Speaker 2
And I remember not liking that. And I.
00:46:51:16 - 00:46:54:23
Speaker 3
Pushed myself up against the wall myself.
00:46:54:23 - 00:46:56:08
Speaker 2
Over and I just.
00:46:57:01 - 00:47:07:07
Speaker 3
Sent a shockwave of pain to my entire body. And inside that sort of brought me to and I was like, okay, that was a really bad call.
00:47:07:07 - 00:47:12:23
Speaker 2
And neck into Coda who were you know, up ahead of me.
00:47:13:22 - 00:47:15:21
Speaker 3
Saw this happen and.
00:47:16:05 - 00:47:16:23
Speaker 2
They they were.
00:47:16:23 - 00:47:20:11
Speaker 3
Convinced they were coming down for a body retrieval this off are.
00:47:20:11 - 00:47:21:05
Speaker 2
Found.
00:47:21:14 - 00:47:21:19
Speaker 3
So.
00:47:21:19 - 00:47:22:23
Speaker 2
They quickly.
00:47:22:23 - 00:47:23:07
Speaker 3
Sort of.
00:47:23:08 - 00:47:24:08
Speaker 2
Running down.
00:47:24:08 - 00:47:25:08
Speaker 3
Towards me so in.
00:47:26:20 - 00:47:28:09
Speaker 2
And I was lying there.
00:47:28:10 - 00:47:28:21
Speaker 3
Just.
00:47:29:05 - 00:47:30:00
Speaker 2
Going in and out of.
00:47:30:00 - 00:47:32:03
Speaker 3
Consciousness with these waves of pain going through.
00:47:32:03 - 00:47:32:18
Speaker 2
My body.
00:47:33:02 - 00:47:36:04
Speaker 3
And I did a bit of a self assessment and.
00:47:36:16 - 00:47:37:01
Speaker 2
You know, I.
00:47:37:01 - 00:47:38:15
Speaker 3
Realized I could wiggle my toes.
00:47:39:14 - 00:47:45:01
Speaker 2
But I could feel like an incredible amount of pain in my head. And I knew that my back.
00:47:45:01 - 00:47:47:00
Speaker 3
Was really sore. And and even though there was a lot of.
00:47:47:00 - 00:47:52:22
Speaker 2
Blood loss and neck and Dakota made their way down to me quite quickly and I had.
00:47:52:22 - 00:47:54:03
Speaker 3
It in reach in my pocket.
00:47:54:13 - 00:47:54:21
Speaker 2
And.
00:47:55:05 - 00:48:00:20
Speaker 3
So there are there is cell signal in certain parts of older spots. But where we were in the saddle, there wasn't. And so.
00:48:00:20 - 00:48:02:11
Speaker 2
Neck quickly ran up to.
00:48:02:11 - 00:48:03:11
Speaker 3
The previous peak we.
00:48:03:11 - 00:48:04:19
Speaker 2
Were at with.
00:48:04:19 - 00:48:05:18
Speaker 3
Within reach.
00:48:05:18 - 00:48:07:22
Speaker 2
And deployed it.
00:48:07:22 - 00:48:09:13
Speaker 3
And was also able to get on the cell phone.
00:48:09:13 - 00:48:11:22
Speaker 2
Up there. I mean, if you're going to have a mountain.
00:48:11:22 - 00:48:16:15
Speaker 3
Accident, make sure you have two the best mountain runners in the world with you. Call for help. A super, super handy.
00:48:16:15 - 00:48:19:10
Speaker 2
Yeah yeah.
00:48:20:11 - 00:48:23:02
Speaker 3
And Dakota sat with you and making light of it but.
00:48:23:02 - 00:48:26:19
Speaker 2
I you know and you know reality like I, you know, I'm incredibly.
00:48:26:19 - 00:48:30:04
Speaker 3
Incredibly fortunate and Dakota sat with me.
00:48:30:04 - 00:48:32:16
Speaker 2
And took out that worn down.
00:48:32:16 - 00:48:33:00
Speaker 3
Jacket.
00:48:33:00 - 00:48:33:23
Speaker 2
That we had put it over.
00:48:33:23 - 00:48:36:06
Speaker 3
Me because I was, you know, it was a warm summer day.
00:48:37:01 - 00:48:37:11
Speaker 2
You know, I.
00:48:37:11 - 00:48:39:01
Speaker 3
Was I was in shock and it was starting to.
00:48:39:01 - 00:48:41:14
Speaker 2
Get really cold. And we had.
00:48:41:14 - 00:48:43:00
Speaker 3
A small emergency, vivy.
00:48:43:00 - 00:48:44:10
Speaker 2
That he covered me with and.
00:48:44:17 - 00:48:47:00
Speaker 3
He just sat with me and sort of comforted.
00:48:47:00 - 00:48:47:09
Speaker 2
Me.
00:48:48:00 - 00:48:50:12
Speaker 3
As I had these waves of pain shooting from my.
00:48:50:12 - 00:48:51:03
Speaker 2
Body and.
00:48:51:13 - 00:48:53:01
Speaker 3
Sort of, you know, screaming.
00:48:53:01 - 00:48:53:09
Speaker 2
Quite a.
00:48:53:09 - 00:48:55:00
Speaker 3
Lot. And then to have no.
00:48:55:10 - 00:48:56:01
Speaker 2
Laughs.
00:48:56:01 - 00:48:57:11
Speaker 3
And sort of it's crazy what.
00:48:57:11 - 00:48:58:11
Speaker 2
The, you know, the.
00:48:58:12 - 00:49:00:10
Speaker 3
Body's hormones do in in those sort.
00:49:00:10 - 00:49:01:19
Speaker 2
Of trauma.
00:49:01:22 - 00:49:03:03
Speaker 3
Situations.
00:49:05:02 - 00:49:09:04
Speaker 2
And after about an hour, we heard a helicopter fly by.
00:49:10:05 - 00:49:11:10
Speaker 3
And this helicopter.
00:49:11:10 - 00:49:11:17
Speaker 2
Came.
00:49:11:17 - 00:49:15:14
Speaker 3
Round and sort of flew past us.
00:49:15:19 - 00:49:18:03
Speaker 2
And then took off anyway, mine and I got trapped.
00:49:18:03 - 00:49:18:23
Speaker 3
They didn't see us.
00:49:20:09 - 00:49:21:00
Speaker 2
But what had.
00:49:21:00 - 00:49:22:23
Speaker 3
Actually happened is they were actually.
00:49:23:00 - 00:49:24:22
Speaker 2
They were doing a training.
00:49:24:22 - 00:49:32:09
Speaker 3
Operation looking for unexploded. Unexploded avalanche bombs. And they had to go back into town to go get a rescue like.
00:49:32:09 - 00:49:32:16
Speaker 2
A.
00:49:34:11 - 00:49:35:08
Speaker 3
Rescue crew that they.
00:49:35:08 - 00:49:37:00
Speaker 2
Could long line in.
00:49:37:00 - 00:49:38:02
Speaker 3
And so another.
00:49:38:02 - 00:49:38:07
Speaker 2
You know.
00:49:38:08 - 00:49:40:02
Speaker 3
30 or 45 minutes later.
00:49:40:17 - 00:49:42:03
Speaker 2
I heard the helicopter again.
00:49:42:03 - 00:49:43:15
Speaker 3
They flew over us once again.
00:49:44:00 - 00:49:44:11
Speaker 2
And then.
00:49:44:11 - 00:49:44:21
Speaker 3
They.
00:49:44:21 - 00:49:47:22
Speaker 2
Settled in the, you know, below.
00:49:47:22 - 00:49:50:10
Speaker 3
Us because it was a bit of was a fairly.
00:49:50:10 - 00:49:52:10
Speaker 2
Complicated, high angle.
00:49:52:10 - 00:49:53:00
Speaker 3
Rescue.
00:49:53:00 - 00:49:53:14
Speaker 2
Area.
00:49:54:05 - 00:50:00:04
Speaker 3
And there's also a big glacier there. So that I could see the road. All I could see as I was lying there was the rotor.
00:50:00:04 - 00:50:02:14
Speaker 2
Of the helicopter down in the valley.
00:50:03:01 - 00:50:04:18
Speaker 3
And I remember just sitting there, just sort of.
00:50:04:19 - 00:50:06:07
Speaker 2
Willing to move.
00:50:06:17 - 00:50:07:05
Speaker 3
Because once it.
00:50:07:05 - 00:50:08:15
Speaker 2
Moved a map that I'd be.
00:50:08:15 - 00:50:09:07
Speaker 3
Rescued.
00:50:09:23 - 00:50:16:04
Speaker 2
And and finally, the long line to people in, I get packaged.
00:50:16:04 - 00:50:17:19
Speaker 3
Out and get taken to the.
00:50:17:19 - 00:50:22:12
Speaker 2
Highway. And from there and I remember.
00:50:22:15 - 00:50:23:04
Speaker 3
You know, sort of.
00:50:23:04 - 00:50:25:00
Speaker 2
Being packaged.
00:50:25:00 - 00:50:34:05
Speaker 3
Underneath the helicopter and just looking up at the table as it was spinning and just thinking I was like, Oh, this is how I'm actually going to die. That was going to snap, you know, like.
00:50:34:06 - 00:50:39:00
Speaker 2
It was, you know, and they they then take me down to.
00:50:40:06 - 00:50:43:17
Speaker 3
The Rogers Palace Visitor Center, where there's an air ambulance crew waiting.
00:50:43:17 - 00:50:51:10
Speaker 2
For me. And and they give me ketamine and.
00:50:51:11 - 00:50:57:23
Speaker 3
Which is a wild trip. If you want to, like, have the craziest high of all time, take ketamine and have severe trauma.
00:50:58:07 - 00:51:00:05
Speaker 2
I remember, like getting put in the helicopter.
00:51:00:05 - 00:51:00:23
Speaker 3
And sort of looking.
00:51:00:23 - 00:51:01:04
Speaker 2
At my.
00:51:01:04 - 00:51:02:18
Speaker 3
Hands disintegrate.
00:51:02:18 - 00:51:03:22
Speaker 2
In the blocks before.
00:51:03:22 - 00:51:04:09
Speaker 3
I passed.
00:51:04:09 - 00:51:08:09
Speaker 2
Out. And from there they flew me.
00:51:08:10 - 00:51:15:16
Speaker 3
To the Kamloops General Hospital, which is a few hundred kilometers away.
00:51:15:16 - 00:51:16:02
Speaker 2
And.
00:51:16:02 - 00:51:17:07
Speaker 3
Rush me into surgery.
00:51:17:07 - 00:51:18:18
Speaker 2
And it.
00:51:19:02 - 00:51:20:22
Speaker 3
Turns out I broke my 8011.
00:51:20:22 - 00:51:25:16
Speaker 2
Vertebra. I'd sheared off the top of my hip bone, the iliac.
00:51:25:16 - 00:51:27:04
Speaker 3
Crest, and sheared.
00:51:27:04 - 00:51:28:19
Speaker 2
Off. And I had.
00:51:28:19 - 00:51:31:04
Speaker 3
Lacerations down to the bone across my.
00:51:31:04 - 00:51:46:22
Speaker 2
Entire body. And I had broken my ankle and, you know, a lot of like a lot of blood loss. But all in all, considering the fall I had, you know, like really, really.
00:51:46:22 - 00:51:49:02
Speaker 3
Fortunate to have.
00:51:49:03 - 00:51:50:16
Speaker 2
Survived and.
00:51:52:00 - 00:51:53:11
Speaker 3
Not suffered paralysis.
00:51:54:04 - 00:51:57:10
Speaker 1
Do think the helmet and having the rope in your bag saved your life?
00:51:58:06 - 00:51:58:11
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:51:58:12 - 00:51:59:16
Speaker 3
The one was in the helmet.
00:51:59:16 - 00:52:01:08
Speaker 2
It like the helmet. The helmet.
00:52:01:14 - 00:52:03:08
Speaker 3
And so the helmet that I had also like.
00:52:03:15 - 00:52:04:04
Speaker 2
Covered my.
00:52:04:04 - 00:52:05:18
Speaker 3
Basal skull. So it.
00:52:05:18 - 00:52:07:07
Speaker 2
Like went farther down the back of.
00:52:07:07 - 00:52:09:09
Speaker 3
My skull was a there was a camp.
00:52:09:11 - 00:52:10:22
Speaker 2
Helmet and it.
00:52:10:22 - 00:52:11:22
Speaker 3
Was fully crushed in.
00:52:11:22 - 00:52:14:19
Speaker 2
The back. And I have the helmet and.
00:52:15:00 - 00:52:15:19
Speaker 3
Like there's pieces of.
00:52:15:19 - 00:52:17:08
Speaker 2
Blood and hair.
00:52:17:08 - 00:52:18:20
Speaker 3
Like inside the helmet still.
00:52:18:21 - 00:52:23:04
Speaker 1
Yeah. So you're you're also it would have been like you would be a vegetable without it. Pretty much.
00:52:24:06 - 00:52:24:17
Speaker 2
One.
00:52:24:21 - 00:52:25:10
Speaker 3
Hundred percent.
00:52:25:20 - 00:52:27:08
Speaker 2
And I think with our role.
00:52:27:18 - 00:52:28:12
Speaker 3
Even though it was just.
00:52:29:07 - 00:52:30:20
Speaker 2
A small, small rope.
00:52:31:03 - 00:52:35:09
Speaker 3
I do think it protected my spine a little bit. And also I had a down jacket, my back and stuff.
00:52:35:09 - 00:52:36:09
Speaker 2
And I think it may.
00:52:36:09 - 00:52:37:07
Speaker 3
Have protected my spine.
00:52:37:07 - 00:52:37:13
Speaker 2
But.
00:52:37:20 - 00:52:38:20
Speaker 3
A lot of it was also just.
00:52:38:20 - 00:52:45:05
Speaker 2
Dumb luck, you know, nothing. I did really, you know, you know, made a difference.
00:52:45:05 - 00:52:45:19
Speaker 3
It was just.
00:52:46:15 - 00:52:46:22
Speaker 2
You know.
00:52:47:06 - 00:52:51:03
Speaker 3
People could slip and fall in the bathtub and be paralyzed. And I fell off a mountain.
00:52:51:03 - 00:53:01:09
Speaker 2
And you know, more or less today, you know, and more or less okay. You know, I have a lot of.
00:53:01:09 - 00:53:02:16
Speaker 3
Physical pain still.
00:53:02:23 - 00:53:12:02
Speaker 2
In me. We'll get into that a bit. But all in all, you know, I'm fairly confident with what I.
00:53:12:02 - 00:53:12:22
Speaker 3
Can do physically.
00:53:12:22 - 00:53:14:11
Speaker 2
And incredibly grateful for that.
00:53:14:20 - 00:53:17:06
Speaker 1
What what did you break in your ankle and of curiosity?
00:53:17:18 - 00:53:20:17
Speaker 2
Oh, well, you know, I don't even remember.
00:53:20:17 - 00:53:22:04
Speaker 3
It was like an avulsion fracture.
00:53:22:04 - 00:53:24:03
Speaker 1
Okay.
00:53:24:03 - 00:53:24:11
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:53:24:11 - 00:53:28:04
Speaker 3
So it wasn't once again, like I'd actually broken it.
00:53:28:04 - 00:53:28:17
Speaker 2
Earlier that.
00:53:28:17 - 00:53:29:01
Speaker 3
Year.
00:53:29:06 - 00:53:32:16
Speaker 2
Sport climbing really in May took it bad with.
00:53:32:16 - 00:53:33:01
Speaker 3
The sport.
00:53:33:01 - 00:53:38:10
Speaker 2
Climbing where it was a very hard, hard catch. And I had already.
00:53:38:10 - 00:53:39:11
Speaker 3
Fractured the ones that.
00:53:39:12 - 00:53:39:22
Speaker 2
Earlier.
00:53:39:22 - 00:53:42:01
Speaker 3
That year and there was this is an avulsion fracture that.
00:53:43:00 - 00:53:43:10
Speaker 2
Um.
00:53:43:23 - 00:53:45:12
Speaker 3
And so it was already a little bit weak.
00:53:45:12 - 00:53:47:07
Speaker 2
And of all that, of all the things my.
00:53:47:07 - 00:53:48:07
Speaker 3
Ankles do, what gives me the.
00:53:48:07 - 00:53:53:08
Speaker 2
Most, especially for a running, you know, you really need a lot of.
00:53:53:08 - 00:53:54:20
Speaker 3
Ankle flexion and is the.
00:53:54:20 - 00:53:57:13
Speaker 2
One thing that I have the heart and it's the only joint.
00:53:57:23 - 00:53:58:10
Speaker 3
Also.
00:53:58:10 - 00:54:03:11
Speaker 2
That I really broke because my hip bone is the top of my hip, not leg.
00:54:03:11 - 00:54:06:12
Speaker 3
Not socket. Yeah. Yeah. And so I still have a metal.
00:54:06:12 - 00:54:10:03
Speaker 2
Pin on my hip, but yeah, but it's, but.
00:54:10:03 - 00:54:10:16
Speaker 3
The actual.
00:54:10:17 - 00:54:12:08
Speaker 2
Age, the.
00:54:12:08 - 00:54:14:22
Speaker 3
Structure of how the joint moves isn't too.
00:54:14:22 - 00:54:16:20
Speaker 2
Bad. But the ankle, I think.
00:54:16:20 - 00:54:19:08
Speaker 3
Because of the scar tissue in.
00:54:19:08 - 00:54:20:02
Speaker 2
The ankle.
00:54:20:08 - 00:54:23:09
Speaker 3
And also because, you know, it's such a weight bearing joint.
00:54:24:00 - 00:54:24:07
Speaker 2
And.
00:54:24:07 - 00:54:32:13
Speaker 3
Running obviously produces a lot of impact, which is probably what I struggle with the most is generating speed while running is running speed and all the like impact force into the.
00:54:32:13 - 00:54:34:14
Speaker 2
Ground and rebound out of it.
00:54:35:02 - 00:54:38:07
Speaker 1
So yeah, I mean we actually happen to know a little bit about.
00:54:38:07 - 00:54:38:13
Speaker 4
That.
00:54:39:16 - 00:55:04:11
Speaker 1
In general talking to you guys of both bilateral ankle fractures. So yeah, I completely understand. You know, before I broke my ankle, I had done my first Ironman and you know, I ran one ultra and I could easily knock off a marathon. And, you know, now I have a pretty darn high aerobic base and I do a lot of training and fairly high training volume for an amateur athlete.
00:55:04:17 - 00:55:23:04
Speaker 1
But like, I just I can't run like I used to, you know, my ankles in a lot of pain and it just doesn't move as and running puts me out so I can still do a lot. I'm really functional, really, really happy with everything. But, but, you know, it is it just it's not the same very obviously not the same.
00:55:23:12 - 00:55:26:20
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean and I kind.
00:55:26:20 - 00:55:27:17
Speaker 3
Of have the same.
00:55:29:03 - 00:55:29:18
Speaker 2
You know.
00:55:29:18 - 00:55:30:20
Speaker 3
The same, the same thing. I mean.
00:55:31:01 - 00:55:31:22
Speaker 2
The one thing, though, that.
00:55:31:22 - 00:55:32:20
Speaker 3
I will say.
00:55:34:09 - 00:55:37:06
Speaker 2
Is, you know.
00:55:38:09 - 00:55:41:23
Speaker 3
I did have like very severe injuries. And obviously.
00:55:42:12 - 00:55:43:15
Speaker 2
You know, being a.
00:55:43:15 - 00:55:44:07
Speaker 3
Professional.
00:55:44:07 - 00:55:44:20
Speaker 2
Runner.
00:55:46:12 - 00:55:48:20
Speaker 3
You know, professional athlete who relies on her.
00:55:48:20 - 00:55:50:11
Speaker 2
Body in a lot of.
00:55:50:11 - 00:55:51:00
Speaker 3
Ways.
00:55:52:06 - 00:55:53:02
Speaker 2
Is the.
00:55:53:02 - 00:55:57:20
Speaker 3
One thing I will say is the the accident was so severe.
00:55:57:20 - 00:55:58:02
Speaker 2
And.
00:55:58:02 - 00:55:58:17
Speaker 3
I was.
00:55:59:12 - 00:56:05:00
Speaker 2
So grateful for being alive. But I actually think it's been a little bit.
00:56:05:00 - 00:56:10:22
Speaker 3
Easier to manage than a lot of other sort of soft tissue, smaller injuries where.
00:56:12:20 - 00:56:13:22
Speaker 2
It's a lot harder to find the.
00:56:13:22 - 00:56:14:21
Speaker 3
Gratitude for just being.
00:56:14:21 - 00:56:15:10
Speaker 2
Alive and to.
00:56:15:10 - 00:56:17:12
Speaker 3
The things you can do. Because I.
00:56:17:14 - 00:56:18:10
Speaker 2
Really.
00:56:19:02 - 00:56:20:17
Speaker 3
Appreciate the fact that I should not.
00:56:20:17 - 00:56:23:16
Speaker 2
Be alone. Um, and.
00:56:23:17 - 00:56:25:13
Speaker 3
So I kind of made a vow to myself in the.
00:56:25:13 - 00:56:27:02
Speaker 2
Hospital that I.
00:56:27:02 - 00:56:28:12
Speaker 3
Wasn't going to.
00:56:28:17 - 00:56:31:06
Speaker 2
Dwell on what I couldn't.
00:56:31:06 - 00:56:34:01
Speaker 3
Do. I was just going to try to celebrate the things I could.
00:56:35:03 - 00:56:37:19
Speaker 2
And I think that, that, that mind frame and really and not just.
00:56:37:19 - 00:56:38:17
Speaker 3
Like paying lip service.
00:56:38:17 - 00:56:46:20
Speaker 2
To it, like really diving into it and diving into it, I mean, and really honoring it. I think it has made a world of.
00:56:46:20 - 00:56:49:03
Speaker 3
Difference to me and it's really, really.
00:56:49:03 - 00:56:49:12
Speaker 2
Helped.
00:56:50:09 - 00:56:51:21
Speaker 3
In a lot of ways.
00:56:51:21 - 00:57:20:18
Speaker 1
Yeah, I can imagine. I think I fell about 40 feet and I like analyzing it. I've climbed the same route and stuff. Like I feel I could have very easily died or paralyzed myself in my fall. And that's 40 feet compared to 300. Right. So, you know, I've definitely seen in constant motion and followed your story before and had those thoughts myself of I just don't understand how you can have a fall like that and be alive.
00:57:20:18 - 00:57:32:17
Speaker 1
You know, it's it's really you don't have to run the simulation many times to find out that most of those falls are not going to end in survival.
00:57:32:17 - 00:57:36:19
Speaker 2
No, no. I mean, I in all you know, by all.
00:57:36:19 - 00:57:37:08
Speaker 3
Accounts, it's.
00:57:37:22 - 00:57:42:11
Speaker 2
The best possible outcome for, you know.
00:57:42:11 - 00:57:45:08
Speaker 3
Relative to the severity of the accident that.
00:57:45:08 - 00:57:48:20
Speaker 2
I that I did. And, you know.
00:57:48:21 - 00:57:51:08
Speaker 3
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me because.
00:57:51:08 - 00:57:52:10
Speaker 2
You know, I've had other.
00:57:52:22 - 00:57:53:21
Speaker 3
Incidents that.
00:57:54:04 - 00:57:54:13
Speaker 2
Have been.
00:57:54:13 - 00:57:55:07
Speaker 3
The worst possible.
00:57:55:07 - 00:57:59:01
Speaker 2
Outcome in far.
00:57:59:01 - 00:58:07:18
Speaker 3
Less. I wasn't very consequential, tried doing something that was quite risky. You know, like any time you're trying to be fast in the mountain, rushing.
00:58:07:18 - 00:58:09:05
Speaker 2
You're adding an element of.
00:58:09:14 - 00:58:12:12
Speaker 3
Risk, even though it's not really training.
00:58:12:14 - 00:58:14:21
Speaker 2
You drove up in working with the guide.
00:58:16:01 - 00:58:17:06
Speaker 3
You know, it was sort to.
00:58:17:23 - 00:58:22:06
Speaker 2
You know, like hard work, low death type train.
00:58:22:06 - 00:58:30:12
Speaker 3
You're still you're still moving fast. So there's a big element of risk to that. And appreciate that accepting it.
00:58:30:12 - 00:58:31:17
Speaker 2
But still, it.
00:58:31:17 - 00:58:35:06
Speaker 3
Doesn't it doesn't make sense because, you know, I've seen people in like far less.
00:58:35:12 - 00:58:35:19
Speaker 2
Where you.
00:58:36:04 - 00:58:39:02
Speaker 3
Think is less consequential, far worse outcomes in.
00:58:39:21 - 00:58:40:05
Speaker 2
A lot of.
00:58:40:05 - 00:58:43:18
Speaker 3
These accidents.
00:58:43:18 - 00:58:44:10
Speaker 2
Yeah the.
00:58:45:06 - 00:58:46:08
Speaker 3
Don't necessarily.
00:58:47:03 - 00:58:47:18
Speaker 2
Know a lot not a.
00:58:47:18 - 00:58:50:01
Speaker 3
Lot of rhyme or reason for them. The mountains aren't exactly.
00:58:50:11 - 00:58:51:21
Speaker 2
Fair or forgiving.
00:58:52:04 - 00:58:53:12
Speaker 3
Yeah, too often. So.
00:58:53:15 - 00:58:53:22
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00:58:54:04 - 00:59:24:03
Speaker 1
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, so you've had this, like, unbelievable fall. You've almost died, you know, like fire on a mission pretty much shouldn't have survived. So. And now you're in the hospital and you're going from this this unbelievably physically competent, like athlete. Like, you know, I would even use the word like specimen. You're you're an elite athlete, you're a runner, you know, and you go from this person who has ultimate freedom and identity with your body as someone who moves.
00:59:25:04 - 00:59:32:16
Speaker 1
And then now you're kind of, you know, in the hospital, debilitated. You know, what was that process like for you?
00:59:32:16 - 00:59:36:02
Speaker 3
Yeah, I know as well. I mean, more so than just.
00:59:37:03 - 00:59:38:02
Speaker 2
Like the ego and.
00:59:38:02 - 00:59:39:06
Speaker 3
Identity associated.
00:59:39:06 - 00:59:43:18
Speaker 2
With that. My body's always been my form.
00:59:43:18 - 00:59:45:02
Speaker 3
Of emotional outlet as well.
00:59:45:13 - 00:59:46:23
Speaker 2
Any time like I been.
00:59:46:23 - 00:59:47:11
Speaker 3
Previously.
00:59:47:11 - 00:59:50:01
Speaker 2
Married and.
00:59:50:13 - 00:59:51:20
Speaker 3
I divorced.
00:59:51:20 - 00:59:54:10
Speaker 2
And you know, like running.
00:59:55:02 - 00:59:56:03
Speaker 3
Sports.
00:59:56:03 - 01:00:05:13
Speaker 2
Were how I didn't cope with the the emotional, the pain of those to that event. You know. And so.
01:00:05:13 - 01:00:08:11
Speaker 3
It was just sort of it was the one form of self-expression that I did.
01:00:08:11 - 01:00:10:10
Speaker 2
Have. You know, any.
01:00:10:11 - 01:00:11:00
Speaker 3
Time I joined.
01:00:11:00 - 01:00:14:10
Speaker 2
Anything, I would go. And I do think probably a lot of.
01:00:14:10 - 01:00:16:14
Speaker 3
People listen to this and can relate to that. You know, you.
01:00:16:20 - 01:00:17:07
Speaker 2
You go to the.
01:00:17:07 - 01:00:25:19
Speaker 3
Mountains or you go for a run or something when things are stressful. And I say, really, you're stressed in here. I was in what was arguably the most stressful.
01:00:27:05 - 01:00:27:22
Speaker 2
Lot, arguably.
01:00:28:12 - 01:00:30:02
Speaker 3
Was probably the most stressful.
01:00:32:03 - 01:00:33:00
Speaker 2
Event of my life.
01:00:33:00 - 01:00:37:08
Speaker 3
And I lost my emotional outlet. And so I really had to.
01:00:37:08 - 01:00:38:00
Speaker 2
Learn different.
01:00:38:00 - 01:00:38:20
Speaker 3
Coping skills.
01:00:39:22 - 01:00:40:19
Speaker 2
And so part of that.
01:00:40:19 - 01:00:41:12
Speaker 3
Was.
01:00:42:12 - 01:00:44:01
Speaker 2
Journaling and.
01:00:44:17 - 01:00:45:21
Speaker 3
Sort of sketching.
01:00:46:02 - 01:00:46:08
Speaker 2
While.
01:00:46:08 - 01:00:46:15
Speaker 3
I was.
01:00:46:15 - 01:00:48:07
Speaker 2
There. The other thing I did.
01:00:48:07 - 01:00:49:19
Speaker 3
Is I started opening up.
01:00:49:19 - 01:00:52:07
Speaker 2
To people, you know, I.
01:00:53:01 - 01:00:56:14
Speaker 3
Always prided myself Mingus, you know, strong.
01:00:56:14 - 01:01:00:14
Speaker 2
Independent man, you know, like Mountain Man. And I really.
01:01:00:14 - 01:01:02:17
Speaker 3
Realized through the fallacy of that.
01:01:02:18 - 01:01:03:04
Speaker 2
Or like.
01:01:03:08 - 01:01:04:05
Speaker 3
The facade.
01:01:04:15 - 01:01:07:11
Speaker 2
Just how how fake it was.
01:01:08:09 - 01:01:09:03
Speaker 3
Because suddenly.
01:01:09:03 - 01:01:12:05
Speaker 2
I, you know, I had to rely on.
01:01:13:00 - 01:01:14:04
Speaker 3
Nursing staff.
01:01:14:11 - 01:01:14:14
Speaker 2
And.
01:01:15:02 - 01:01:16:10
Speaker 3
Strangers basically.
01:01:17:04 - 01:01:17:11
Speaker 2
For my.
01:01:17:11 - 01:01:18:23
Speaker 3
Most basic body functions.
01:01:19:00 - 01:01:19:22
Speaker 2
Like I couldn't write my own.
01:01:19:23 - 01:01:21:19
Speaker 3
Affirmation, usually.
01:01:23:15 - 01:01:24:03
Speaker 2
Mirroring that that.
01:01:24:03 - 01:01:25:19
Speaker 3
Happened is I my body responded.
01:01:25:19 - 01:01:27:15
Speaker 2
Really poorly to the.
01:01:27:15 - 01:01:28:17
Speaker 3
Pain meds I was on.
01:01:28:17 - 01:01:30:15
Speaker 2
And I developed.
01:01:30:15 - 01:01:31:17
Speaker 3
Something called a stomach.
01:01:31:17 - 01:01:32:21
Speaker 2
Virus. I was.
01:01:33:10 - 01:01:36:22
Speaker 3
Um, in. So my entire body just swelled up.
01:01:36:22 - 01:01:38:12
Speaker 2
With fluid and.
01:01:38:12 - 01:01:39:14
Speaker 3
It just caused me this.
01:01:39:14 - 01:01:43:19
Speaker 2
Incredible amount of pain. Um, and that.
01:01:43:19 - 01:01:44:22
Speaker 3
Was actually one of the most.
01:01:44:22 - 01:01:45:18
Speaker 2
Painful.
01:01:46:19 - 01:01:47:13
Speaker 3
Parts of.
01:01:49:01 - 01:01:49:16
Speaker 2
My recovery.
01:01:49:16 - 01:01:51:02
Speaker 3
Was actually that time.
01:01:51:02 - 01:01:53:02
Speaker 2
In the hospital because.
01:01:53:02 - 01:01:54:10
Speaker 3
Your stomach is full.
01:01:54:10 - 01:01:55:12
Speaker 2
Of nerve.
01:01:55:12 - 01:01:57:07
Speaker 3
Endings and it was just.
01:01:57:17 - 01:01:58:07
Speaker 2
Under like.
01:01:58:07 - 01:02:06:19
Speaker 3
Severe, severe distress. Um, and I would just, there's just like this waves of pain, just like move it.
01:02:06:19 - 01:02:10:00
Speaker 2
In my body. And I remember.
01:02:10:00 - 01:02:11:10
Speaker 3
Sitting there like two or 3:00.
01:02:11:10 - 01:02:12:09
Speaker 2
In the morning one night, and.
01:02:12:09 - 01:02:12:19
Speaker 3
It's just.
01:02:13:05 - 01:02:13:09
Speaker 2
I.
01:02:13:09 - 01:02:14:06
Speaker 3
Just felt so.
01:02:14:06 - 01:02:15:12
Speaker 2
Like, bloated.
01:02:15:12 - 01:02:16:10
Speaker 3
And under so.
01:02:16:10 - 01:02:16:16
Speaker 2
Much.
01:02:17:02 - 01:02:19:10
Speaker 3
Just very, so much pressure on my body.
01:02:19:23 - 01:02:23:15
Speaker 2
And despite a broken hip and back.
01:02:24:05 - 01:02:26:01
Speaker 3
I just I'd summoned every.
01:02:26:01 - 01:02:26:09
Speaker 2
Bit of.
01:02:26:09 - 01:02:26:21
Speaker 3
Energy.
01:02:26:21 - 01:02:28:08
Speaker 2
I had, and I grabbed my.
01:02:28:08 - 01:02:29:09
Speaker 3
Legs and I just.
01:02:29:09 - 01:02:30:07
Speaker 2
Below them.
01:02:30:07 - 01:02:37:08
Speaker 3
Into my chest twice. And this tiny little squeaker of a heart came out. And it was the most orgasmic.
01:02:37:08 - 01:02:45:05
Speaker 2
Thing I've ever felt. But I was screaming.
01:02:45:05 - 01:02:47:04
Speaker 3
In pain because I just sort of contorted.
01:02:47:04 - 01:02:53:09
Speaker 2
My body in that position and I needed that relief. Yeah.
01:02:54:07 - 01:02:56:22
Speaker 4
Just a little bit of control over your life at this point.
01:02:56:23 - 01:03:00:17
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, well, no. And that's it. The other thing.
01:03:01:22 - 01:03:05:07
Speaker 3
Is, you know, you just get really reduced to your your base.
01:03:05:07 - 01:03:08:08
Speaker 2
Element in that environment. And the.
01:03:08:09 - 01:03:09:10
Speaker 3
Hospital that I was.
01:03:09:10 - 01:03:10:02
Speaker 2
In, though.
01:03:10:16 - 01:03:14:07
Speaker 3
Was in the hospital ward I was in with this orthopedic ward.
01:03:14:07 - 01:03:17:15
Speaker 2
And it was it was super gnarly. The guy.
01:03:17:15 - 01:03:18:02
Speaker 3
Beside.
01:03:18:02 - 01:03:19:06
Speaker 2
Me had been in the helicopter.
01:03:19:07 - 01:03:25:15
Speaker 3
Crash and another guy had been hit by a semi. Yeah. So, like, really, really severe.
01:03:25:15 - 01:03:27:01
Speaker 2
And I'd fallen off and now.
01:03:27:01 - 01:03:28:10
Speaker 3
Like really severe injuries.
01:03:29:09 - 01:03:31:00
Speaker 2
And the one thing that happened though.
01:03:31:01 - 01:03:31:23
Speaker 3
On there is.
01:03:31:23 - 01:03:32:14
Speaker 2
I had all.
01:03:32:14 - 01:03:34:17
Speaker 3
These friends and.
01:03:34:17 - 01:03:37:20
Speaker 2
Family come from all over. Like, you know.
01:03:37:21 - 01:03:38:21
Speaker 3
Kamloops is.
01:03:39:19 - 01:03:40:01
Speaker 2
Not.
01:03:40:01 - 01:03:48:08
Speaker 3
Necessarily close to to where people my life was from. So people were driving like 3 to 5 hours.
01:03:48:18 - 01:03:49:14
Speaker 2
To come and.
01:03:49:14 - 01:03:51:16
Speaker 3
Visit. And these other two people.
01:03:51:16 - 01:03:53:20
Speaker 2
In the ward, you know.
01:03:53:21 - 01:03:55:16
Speaker 3
Whether it was life circumstance or.
01:03:57:01 - 01:03:57:21
Speaker 2
The family, couldn't.
01:03:57:21 - 01:04:01:11
Speaker 3
Afford to come visit them. They just didn't have anybody. And I just remember.
01:04:01:11 - 01:04:03:11
Speaker 2
Thinking how lonely and hard that would be.
01:04:03:11 - 01:04:05:20
Speaker 3
If I'd been missing in hospitals. Your scary.
01:04:05:20 - 01:04:06:09
Speaker 2
Moments.
01:04:06:19 - 01:04:09:02
Speaker 3
When you're in a hospital for the first time, like you just.
01:04:09:13 - 01:04:10:10
Speaker 2
You know, like the language.
01:04:10:10 - 01:04:10:12
Speaker 3
Is.
01:04:10:12 - 01:04:12:19
Speaker 2
Different. Like you have to, like, really advocate.
01:04:12:19 - 01:04:13:17
Speaker 3
For yourself to.
01:04:14:03 - 01:04:18:03
Speaker 2
Get care and feel like all, all these little.
01:04:18:03 - 01:04:18:22
Speaker 3
Things are.
01:04:19:18 - 01:04:22:16
Speaker 2
Or are hard. And trying to navigate that.
01:04:22:16 - 01:04:25:13
Speaker 3
Alone as you're sort of dealing with the trauma.
01:04:25:13 - 01:04:26:00
Speaker 2
And.
01:04:26:06 - 01:04:28:01
Speaker 3
Consequences of what's just happened.
01:04:28:01 - 01:04:29:20
Speaker 2
You would be it would be overwhelming.
01:04:29:20 - 01:04:31:08
Speaker 3
And I suddenly had this, like.
01:04:31:09 - 01:04:32:14
Speaker 2
Outpouring of love.
01:04:33:00 - 01:04:33:18
Speaker 3
That I was surrounded.
01:04:33:18 - 01:04:35:10
Speaker 2
By and really had.
01:04:35:10 - 01:04:36:15
Speaker 3
This deep appreciation.
01:04:36:15 - 01:04:37:03
Speaker 2
For.
01:04:37:11 - 01:04:37:23
Speaker 3
Sort of.
01:04:38:08 - 01:04:39:23
Speaker 2
Friends that were in my life that I.
01:04:41:06 - 01:04:42:22
Speaker 3
Frankly sort of taken for granted to.
01:04:42:22 - 01:04:47:07
Speaker 2
That point and have, you know, like little or my.
01:04:47:07 - 01:04:51:20
Speaker 3
Brother was living in Thailand. He flew from Thailand. My dad flew in from Spain.
01:04:51:21 - 01:04:55:12
Speaker 2
You know, like people like came to me.
01:04:55:12 - 01:04:57:10
Speaker 3
And I was really, really touched by that.
01:04:57:12 - 01:04:59:07
Speaker 2
And it.
01:04:59:07 - 01:05:01:19
Speaker 3
Really sort of cracked open this shell in.
01:05:01:19 - 01:05:07:02
Speaker 2
Me and sort of really learned the power of vulnerability.
01:05:07:19 - 01:05:08:08
Speaker 3
The person that.
01:05:08:08 - 01:05:09:12
Speaker 2
I was dating.
01:05:10:00 - 01:05:17:18
Speaker 3
She was a medical resident. And she her her family's actually Kamloops. And she'd actually done a stint at that hospital and she.
01:05:17:18 - 01:05:21:11
Speaker 2
Left Calgary and came.
01:05:21:11 - 01:05:22:01
Speaker 3
Out to be with.
01:05:22:01 - 01:05:24:02
Speaker 2
Me. And it like.
01:05:24:03 - 01:05:26:23
Speaker 3
Solidified our bond as well because I suddenly.
01:05:26:23 - 01:05:28:09
Speaker 2
Like, really opened up.
01:05:28:14 - 01:05:29:23
Speaker 3
To her. I was still.
01:05:30:02 - 01:05:30:23
Speaker 2
Holding a lot of.
01:05:30:23 - 01:05:32:17
Speaker 3
Emotional baggage from my divorce.
01:05:32:23 - 01:05:33:13
Speaker 2
But I hadn't really.
01:05:33:13 - 01:05:36:00
Speaker 3
Processed, which was really holding me back my relationship.
01:05:36:00 - 01:05:36:11
Speaker 2
With her.
01:05:36:21 - 01:05:38:00
Speaker 3
And suddenly I was like, What the.
01:05:38:00 - 01:05:38:23
Speaker 2
Fuck are you doing?
01:05:40:00 - 01:05:43:00
Speaker 3
You know, it's like sense of clarity as you've got this amazing woman.
01:05:43:08 - 01:05:44:20
Speaker 2
Who's willing to drive.
01:05:45:08 - 01:05:47:01
Speaker 3
You know, like 7 hours to come and.
01:05:47:07 - 01:05:51:06
Speaker 2
Be with you. Why aren't you, like, diving in.
01:05:51:08 - 01:05:53:04
Speaker 3
Headfirst into this and so we.
01:05:53:04 - 01:05:54:12
Speaker 2
Did. And, you know.
01:05:54:16 - 01:05:59:06
Speaker 3
Classically, as you make your cell phone or somebody else, it allows them to open up to you and.
01:05:59:06 - 01:05:59:18
Speaker 2
You end up.
01:06:00:05 - 01:06:00:14
Speaker 3
Having this.
01:06:00:14 - 01:06:09:02
Speaker 2
Wonderful bond because of that. And yeah, so, you know, in.
01:06:09:02 - 01:06:09:22
Speaker 3
A lot of ways and.
01:06:10:07 - 01:06:11:01
Speaker 2
You know, it had.
01:06:11:01 - 01:06:11:22
Speaker 3
A lot of positives.
01:06:12:11 - 01:06:14:02
Speaker 2
It made me a far more open.
01:06:14:13 - 01:06:15:14
Speaker 3
Empathetic person.
01:06:15:22 - 01:06:17:17
Speaker 2
Helped me develop different coping skills.
01:06:17:17 - 01:06:18:15
Speaker 3
And so while.
01:06:18:15 - 01:06:19:02
Speaker 2
I.
01:06:19:17 - 01:06:19:22
Speaker 3
Was.
01:06:19:22 - 01:06:20:17
Speaker 2
Struggling with.
01:06:20:23 - 01:06:22:10
Speaker 3
The possible loss of.
01:06:23:21 - 01:06:25:12
Speaker 2
My high end athletic.
01:06:25:12 - 01:06:32:13
Speaker 3
It also had like an incredible athletic career to that point. And I vowed to try to get back as well as I could. And.
01:06:32:23 - 01:06:34:09
Speaker 2
You know, I the.
01:06:34:09 - 01:06:37:13
Speaker 3
One thing with these injuries is it was allowed.
01:06:37:13 - 01:06:40:00
Speaker 2
To get into a walker fairly quickly.
01:06:40:21 - 01:06:46:23
Speaker 3
You know, started by taking two steps or survey, just trying to stand up and collapsing. You know, I remember actually when.
01:06:46:23 - 01:06:53:13
Speaker 2
The the physio came into the room were like, oh, we're going to have to get you to work on your endurance.
01:06:53:13 - 01:06:55:04
Speaker 3
I'll take you all the way.
01:06:55:04 - 01:06:58:05
Speaker 2
It was like one of the fittest people in the world. It's like my.
01:06:58:05 - 01:07:00:05
Speaker 3
Nurse is fine, you know, get to stand up.
01:07:00:05 - 01:07:03:17
Speaker 2
And I like all doctors oils. And how this is going to be.
01:07:03:17 - 01:07:05:00
Speaker 3
Is going to be a bit of a journey.
01:07:05:08 - 01:07:11:15
Speaker 2
Yeah. And you know, as you both know, you know, like recovery is never linear either.
01:07:12:20 - 01:07:21:01
Speaker 3
And so I also decided not to place any arbitrary as I have to place an the arbitrary goals myself, either positive.
01:07:21:01 - 01:07:23:06
Speaker 2
Or negative. You know, I didn't.
01:07:23:19 - 01:07:25:09
Speaker 3
Need to be able to walk away this time.
01:07:26:14 - 01:07:27:11
Speaker 2
Because nobody's.
01:07:27:11 - 01:07:31:01
Speaker 3
Ever had the injuries I had. Nobody actually knows what.
01:07:31:01 - 01:07:32:13
Speaker 2
I'm capable of, including me.
01:07:33:07 - 01:07:37:11
Speaker 3
And also nobody knows what the timeline is to to recovery. And so, you know, I.
01:07:37:13 - 01:07:39:06
Speaker 2
Get up every day and I would.
01:07:39:10 - 01:07:40:10
Speaker 3
Do as much as I.
01:07:40:10 - 01:07:42:12
Speaker 2
Could without overdoing it.
01:07:42:20 - 01:07:44:00
Speaker 3
Because I also want to set myself.
01:07:44:00 - 01:07:45:15
Speaker 2
Back and.
01:07:45:20 - 01:07:46:09
Speaker 3
So.
01:07:46:15 - 01:07:47:15
Speaker 2
I've gotten there.
01:07:47:15 - 01:07:50:08
Speaker 3
And, you know, so by the time I left the hospital, I was able to.
01:07:50:17 - 01:07:53:06
Speaker 2
You know, walk to the end of the hall with a walker.
01:07:53:06 - 01:07:56:04
Speaker 3
I couldn't stand on my own, but on my way down.
01:07:56:04 - 01:07:57:18
Speaker 2
And I really enjoyed that.
01:07:57:18 - 01:08:08:01
Speaker 3
And and I also remember the first time I got to go back outside again. The hospitals are really sterile, cold environments. My buddies will.
01:08:08:01 - 01:08:08:12
Speaker 2
Be.
01:08:09:10 - 01:08:10:18
Speaker 3
Down in this courtyard.
01:08:10:18 - 01:08:14:17
Speaker 2
And then with every little crack, you know, in the hospital, more.
01:08:14:17 - 01:08:20:11
Speaker 3
Like just some pain into my body. But we went out to this little dank courtyard.
01:08:20:11 - 01:08:20:16
Speaker 2
We had a.
01:08:20:16 - 01:08:21:11
Speaker 3
Couple of trees, and.
01:08:22:08 - 01:08:22:15
Speaker 2
I just.
01:08:22:15 - 01:08:26:16
Speaker 3
Suddenly I could feel the breeze across my skin. And once again, I almost cried.
01:08:27:02 - 01:08:28:10
Speaker 2
How wonderful.
01:08:28:10 - 01:08:37:03
Speaker 3
It was to be back outside. And I realize just how important being outside is to me. So yeah.
01:08:37:20 - 01:08:57:02
Speaker 4
Yeah. I think I think that you've you describe so many things in terms of just reinventing kind of like, I don't know who you are, how you see the world and ring so true to me in my experience. You know, I definitely wrapped up a lot of my identity in my how I saw myself in in the sport of climbing.
01:08:57:02 - 01:09:29:20
Speaker 4
And after my accident, you know, that was taken away from me. And, you know, it gives us this opportunity to to see ourselves in a different light or to pursue different skills or to, I don't know, become more of of who we could be in different areas in our life. And I think that it's so cool that you you see and found that opportunity as well to explore just areas in your life that that you know you you have dreams that you know that were lacking in that that's something that needed to happen.
01:09:29:20 - 01:09:54:23
Speaker 4
And I think that's so important to to see the silver lining and to turn these kind of horrific situations into something positive, because in the end, it's really under our own control and how these situations pan out, you know, you know, we can handle them in a multitude of different directions in different ways. And so, yeah, I just think it's really inspiring and really cool to hear the shift that you experienced.
01:09:54:23 - 01:10:17:21
Speaker 4
And you also said, you know, like you shouldn't have survived, you know? And I think that the only way to really look at that is to to realize that that we're here, you know, you're here for something more there. There is more purpose to be to be filled. And it definitely seems like you you resonate with that as well.
01:10:17:21 - 01:10:20:04
Speaker 4
So Really, really cool. And thanks for sharing.
01:10:21:03 - 01:10:25:18
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, I think well, thanks for saying that. You know, and I don't I.
01:10:25:18 - 01:10:26:04
Speaker 3
Don't really.
01:10:26:04 - 01:10:29:18
Speaker 2
Believe in like I don't believe in a higher power.
01:10:30:12 - 01:10:31:10
Speaker 3
You know, and it it's sort of.
01:10:31:10 - 01:10:35:05
Speaker 2
Incumbent on a need to make meaning.
01:10:35:05 - 01:10:36:04
Speaker 3
And purpose for my life.
01:10:36:07 - 01:10:38:01
Speaker 2
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:38:01 - 01:10:40:21
Speaker 3
You know, it's and I and I do appreciate that.
01:10:41:22 - 01:10:43:00
Speaker 2
You know, the other thing that happened.
01:10:43:00 - 01:10:45:01
Speaker 3
During that time is because I, you.
01:10:45:02 - 01:10:48:12
Speaker 2
Know, you know, definitely like I was in a lot.
01:10:48:12 - 01:10:49:07
Speaker 3
Of physical.
01:10:49:18 - 01:10:55:08
Speaker 2
Pain and, you know, I was, you know, I did have a lot.
01:10:55:08 - 01:11:01:01
Speaker 3
Of uncertainty about my future. And so during that time, I started seeing therapist like quite quickly.
01:11:01:14 - 01:11:02:03
Speaker 2
Um.
01:11:02:14 - 01:11:14:18
Speaker 3
And I also started doing pain meditation with that therapist and sort of talking to different parts of my body. Yeah, I understand what your saw right now. I know what you're trying to do and it's okay. And just sort of.
01:11:15:02 - 01:11:15:15
Speaker 2
That level of.
01:11:15:15 - 01:11:16:22
Speaker 3
Acceptance from.
01:11:17:11 - 01:11:17:16
Speaker 2
Where.
01:11:17:16 - 01:11:18:16
Speaker 3
I was every day.
01:11:19:23 - 01:11:20:08
Speaker 2
Also.
01:11:20:08 - 01:11:22:12
Speaker 3
Really helped with my because I think as an.
01:11:22:12 - 01:11:24:04
Speaker 2
Athlete, um.
01:11:25:00 - 01:11:25:12
Speaker 3
You know what, we're.
01:11:25:12 - 01:11:26:13
Speaker 2
Really gold and.
01:11:26:13 - 01:11:26:23
Speaker 3
Goals are.
01:11:26:23 - 01:11:29:14
Speaker 2
Very forward looking in.
01:11:29:14 - 01:11:32:01
Speaker 3
Your conflict constant sort of working towards that.
01:11:32:14 - 01:11:33:17
Speaker 2
And what.
01:11:33:17 - 01:11:34:06
Speaker 3
This.
01:11:35:00 - 01:11:37:08
Speaker 2
This injury really made me do is have to be.
01:11:37:21 - 01:11:41:11
Speaker 3
Very present with where I was on a day to day basis and very tuned in.
01:11:42:11 - 01:11:42:18
Speaker 2
With.
01:11:42:18 - 01:11:45:14
Speaker 3
It. So that that was also sort of an interesting.
01:11:45:14 - 01:11:49:10
Speaker 2
Way of being and everything is, you know, like I'd.
01:11:49:10 - 01:11:50:12
Speaker 3
Always associated.
01:11:50:19 - 01:11:57:05
Speaker 2
Like movement with like, you know, like it's like you're moving. If you can move, you're alive. And like.
01:11:57:05 - 01:11:57:15
Speaker 3
That's sort of.
01:11:57:15 - 01:11:58:07
Speaker 2
What movement.
01:11:58:07 - 01:11:58:22
Speaker 3
Means.
01:11:59:23 - 01:12:01:08
Speaker 2
But when I had.
01:12:01:08 - 01:12:02:02
Speaker 3
My accident.
01:12:02:03 - 01:12:05:18
Speaker 2
In my fall for a moment, there, not moving.
01:12:05:18 - 01:12:13:18
Speaker 3
Was literally what was going to save my life. Like sitting still and being calm is what saved my life, not trying to move. And so that.
01:12:14:06 - 01:12:18:05
Speaker 2
Really sort of shook core.
01:12:18:05 - 01:12:33:22
Speaker 3
Fundamental belief of who I was. And I've actually been doing some reading recently on something called Post-Traumatic Growth, which is it's kind of it's like, you know, we spent a lot of time talking about post-traumatic stress. And so it's also it's called.
01:12:33:22 - 01:12:35:09
Speaker 2
Know that growth can happen from.
01:12:35:09 - 01:12:39:12
Speaker 3
These things as well because you say you recognize like you're.
01:12:40:15 - 01:12:41:22
Speaker 2
You know, trauma is.
01:12:41:22 - 01:12:44:17
Speaker 3
Having a fundamental belief shaken.
01:12:45:07 - 01:12:45:14
Speaker 2
And in.
01:12:45:14 - 01:12:47:16
Speaker 3
Doing that, it gives you an opportunity to reinvent yourself.
01:12:48:05 - 01:12:56:14
Speaker 4
And I think it's important for people to see that because I'm not sure that it always translate. I think it's it's an opportunity for growth, but it's also an opportunity to get stuck.
01:12:57:23 - 01:12:58:15
Speaker 2
Though completely.
01:12:58:15 - 01:12:59:14
Speaker 3
100%. Yeah.
01:13:01:05 - 01:13:22:02
Speaker 1
I thought that it was interesting what you were saying about how you were associating your life with movement and then not moving is actually what's going to save your life. Something I thought about with that is that also I think as athletes we get so wrapped up with our identity in the mountains and that there's actually a lot more to life than just moving that.
01:13:22:02 - 01:13:59:00
Speaker 1
Like your life represents more than just your success in the mountains or your ventures in the mountains. There's other people who care about these things or who care about you. You know, I came to your side. And then another thing I think that was really interesting that talked about is that I think it's really easy to to kind of mix up like whether you're drawing strength for the map from the mountains or you're using it as like a device, like a shield or something, you know, and when something like this kind of happens to you, that shield gets stripped away.
01:13:59:00 - 01:14:19:15
Speaker 1
And you have to you have to deal with the more psychological aspects and the other aspects in your life that maybe, you know, like for you, no pun intended, like you've been running away from where you've been climbing away from or whatever, right? So like I know for myself, you know, my mother passed away of cancer and you know, I didn't really know what to do with my life.
01:14:19:15 - 01:14:56:16
Speaker 1
I was feeling really, really lost and incredibly hurt. And and I just jumped fall full blown into sport. I just started running started running marathons, ultras competed in triathlon. And those things I've now identified with. And it's been so transformative for me and such an amazing, empowering thing for my life. But then going through this accident where those things were taken away from me and I kind of had to just like sit with myself, it was this really, I don't know, eye opening process that actually a huge amount of issues that I had still they actually I didn't actually deal with them.
01:14:56:19 - 01:15:25:15
Speaker 1
I had kind of just like exercised them away or it ventured them away to a point of like, I could maintain my life enough, if that makes sense, you know? And so I don't know. I think it's I think it's interesting how something can both be such an power like empowering thing that we identify with, but at the same time can also kind of be a tool to mask dealing with ourselves, if that makes sense.
01:15:25:15 - 01:15:31:04
Speaker 2
Oh, completely, I think no. I think another way of looking.
01:15:31:04 - 01:15:40:03
Speaker 3
At it is, you know, we identify and we give so much power to a place that we really spend very little time in on a relative scale.
01:15:40:16 - 01:15:47:00
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like, you know, we that is about people or mountain athletes.
01:15:47:07 - 01:15:49:10
Speaker 3
We really spend very little time actually, like.
01:15:49:10 - 01:15:55:01
Speaker 2
On or in or in the mountains on how much time like your overall life.
01:15:55:01 - 01:15:56:00
Speaker 3
Is. So like, I live in like a.
01:15:56:00 - 01:15:58:01
Speaker 2
Handful of people. Well, I mean, you.
01:15:58:02 - 01:15:59:14
Speaker 3
Know, get a lot of importance on it.
01:15:59:21 - 01:16:08:01
Speaker 2
So it we spend a lot of time, energy in that place, really. What about the valleys where you actually where the people that are very well.
01:16:08:01 - 01:16:11:15
Speaker 3
Known trying to make that place as profound as possible as well.
01:16:12:09 - 01:16:12:12
Speaker 2
As.
01:16:12:13 - 01:16:13:23
Speaker 3
I think it's important to take the lessons that.
01:16:13:23 - 01:16:16:14
Speaker 2
We you know, we get up here and bring them back into our.
01:16:16:14 - 01:16:17:19
Speaker 3
Lives in the valleys. And.
01:16:18:02 - 01:16:19:17
Speaker 2
You know, I do think that having.
01:16:19:17 - 01:16:23:00
Speaker 3
Those outlets like for.
01:16:23:00 - 01:16:23:07
Speaker 2
You.
01:16:23:14 - 01:16:24:10
Speaker 3
Know, other pursuits.
01:16:25:04 - 01:16:25:20
Speaker 2
They're incredibly.
01:16:25:20 - 01:16:29:06
Speaker 3
Useful. And I think that having ways of like forms of escapism.
01:16:29:16 - 01:16:31:11
Speaker 2
Are very.
01:16:31:11 - 01:16:34:21
Speaker 3
Very useful. And seeking pleasure is like a.
01:16:34:21 - 01:16:38:16
Speaker 2
Core part of being human. But then.
01:16:38:16 - 01:16:41:13
Speaker 3
Also, as you say, you still need to also spend time sitting.
01:16:42:09 - 01:16:43:16
Speaker 2
With your.
01:16:43:21 - 01:16:44:20
Speaker 3
Emotional self.
01:16:46:02 - 01:16:47:13
Speaker 2
And doing a deep.
01:16:47:13 - 01:16:49:05
Speaker 3
Dove there as well. So yeah.
01:16:49:15 - 01:16:50:04
Speaker 2
The one thing.
01:16:50:04 - 01:16:53:01
Speaker 3
That was kind of interesting know like the sketching.
01:16:53:12 - 01:16:57:13
Speaker 2
Um, is Laura and I.
01:16:58:04 - 01:17:00:01
Speaker 3
She, we like we on the outside.
01:17:00:01 - 01:17:01:02
Speaker 2
And in the.
01:17:01:02 - 01:17:01:14
Speaker 3
Wheelchair.
01:17:01:14 - 01:17:02:19
Speaker 2
And then when we finally.
01:17:02:19 - 01:17:04:16
Speaker 3
Go back to gym and we'd sit and.
01:17:04:16 - 01:17:07:09
Speaker 2
We'd sketch, we sketch the.
01:17:07:10 - 01:17:08:12
Speaker 3
Mountains and so.
01:17:09:07 - 01:17:09:20
Speaker 2
These mountains.
01:17:09:20 - 01:17:14:22
Speaker 3
And places and I'd always move through all this. And I was sitting still and looking.
01:17:14:22 - 01:17:18:08
Speaker 2
At them in a whole other line. And I was really, just really beautiful.
01:17:18:15 - 01:17:21:03
Speaker 3
To do that and have this whole other experience.
01:17:22:14 - 01:17:22:22
Speaker 2
Of the.
01:17:22:22 - 01:17:23:14
Speaker 3
Mountains.
01:17:24:09 - 01:17:26:09
Speaker 2
And funny enough and doing that.
01:17:26:19 - 01:17:27:18
Speaker 3
Actually down.
01:17:27:18 - 01:17:28:14
Speaker 2
The line that ended up.
01:17:28:14 - 01:17:29:12
Speaker 3
Climbing a couple of years.
01:17:29:12 - 01:17:31:00
Speaker 2
Later. But I like doing it.
01:17:31:00 - 01:17:31:14
Speaker 3
First up.
01:17:31:14 - 01:17:32:00
Speaker 2
One of the.
01:17:32:13 - 01:17:34:03
Speaker 3
Peaks and run shoulders is is kind of.
01:17:34:03 - 01:17:35:05
Speaker 2
Rad and.
01:17:35:05 - 01:17:38:18
Speaker 3
I would have spotted it if I had sat still, so it was kind of cool.
01:17:39:12 - 01:17:42:19
Speaker 4
Is that piece behind you, either from you or from Laura?
01:17:43:15 - 01:17:48:00
Speaker 3
No, it's not. That's not a Cinnabon. This is a very famous artist.
01:17:48:13 - 01:17:50:17
Speaker 2
I think. Yeah.
01:17:50:17 - 01:17:51:17
Speaker 3
Nice that where.
01:17:52:08 - 01:17:56:20
Speaker 4
She's because she's like taking credit that doing that you know.
01:17:58:03 - 01:17:59:18
Speaker 2
Yeah well yeah.
01:18:00:06 - 01:18:15:20
Speaker 1
Okay so you know, you had this fall, this traumatic incident. We've kind of gone through that and, you know, for me, when I was when I was going through the chronology of this, correct me if I'm wrong, ten months later, you ran in the Hard Rock 100.
01:18:17:10 - 01:18:19:15
Speaker 2
Yeah, those Yeah, so I did.
01:18:20:10 - 01:18:20:17
Speaker 3
So.
01:18:21:00 - 01:18:35:09
Speaker 1
Yeah, I'd love to know about that because for for me, dealing with my own injuries, which I would definitely qualify as lesser to yours, I know ten months out, I was just like, I mean, it's a little bit different. Obviously with bilateral ankle factors, I were really one.
01:18:35:15 - 01:18:36:22
Speaker 4
Mile or was not in the rock.
01:18:37:06 - 01:18:53:04
Speaker 1
Wasn't the books in general, but just in general, the feat of being able to to compete in a competitive, professional hundred mile race ten months after a fall that you pretty much borderline died in. Like, why don't you why don't you explain a little bit about that to us.
01:18:54:17 - 01:18:55:05
Speaker 2
Yeah.
01:18:56:06 - 01:19:00:21
Speaker 3
So was it three from hospital you it was starting to walk.
01:19:00:21 - 01:19:06:18
Speaker 2
A little bit more and you know, moving around a little bit and all.
01:19:06:18 - 01:19:08:23
Speaker 3
Of a sudden my my sportsman doctor, who's a.
01:19:09:11 - 01:19:10:04
Speaker 2
Good friend of mine.
01:19:10:17 - 01:19:12:00
Speaker 3
He's also an ultra runner.
01:19:12:09 - 01:19:14:15
Speaker 2
Is like, hey, I think you might have a.
01:19:15:04 - 01:19:16:03
Speaker 3
Strong fracture in your.
01:19:16:03 - 01:19:17:19
Speaker 2
Foot.
01:19:17:19 - 01:19:24:23
Speaker 3
And so I was really enjoying starting to walk a bit more, you know, one 400 meters. I was walking.
01:19:24:23 - 01:19:26:21
Speaker 2
A kilometer and a mile being the.
01:19:26:23 - 01:19:30:23
Speaker 3
Classic athletes I was watching, enjoying the progress. And this goes back to the.
01:19:31:03 - 01:19:33:03
Speaker 2
Recovery, not being linear and.
01:19:33:09 - 01:19:43:08
Speaker 3
Was like, I think the best course of action for you is to actually go back in a wheelchair for the next six weeks or four weeks just to really let your bones heal.
01:19:43:22 - 01:19:48:11
Speaker 2
I was like, I'm like, all right, it's not what I want to hear, but, you.
01:19:48:11 - 01:19:49:12
Speaker 3
Know, this means that.
01:19:49:12 - 01:19:50:14
Speaker 2
I might be able to run.
01:19:50:14 - 01:19:56:13
Speaker 3
In the future. So what I need to do. And so I sort of committed to getting back in the wheelchair. And.
01:19:57:21 - 01:19:59:07
Speaker 2
You know, you go to the pool.
01:19:59:21 - 01:20:01:04
Speaker 3
It was funny because of me and.
01:20:01:04 - 01:20:02:20
Speaker 2
Like all the the blue.
01:20:02:20 - 01:20:04:09
Speaker 3
Haired seniors, you also broke.
01:20:04:09 - 01:20:08:11
Speaker 2
In their hips, you know, doing the water aerobics. But the water.
01:20:08:18 - 01:20:11:18
Speaker 3
Was actually really good for my. So we got some.
01:20:11:18 - 01:20:13:19
Speaker 2
Mobility back in them once.
01:20:13:19 - 01:20:18:14
Speaker 3
Once that time, that absurdist smell of it in the Rockies and.
01:20:20:10 - 01:20:22:20
Speaker 2
Kind of funny enough getting back.
01:20:22:20 - 01:20:23:03
Speaker 3
Into.
01:20:23:13 - 01:20:24:09
Speaker 2
It and.
01:20:24:20 - 01:20:25:19
Speaker 3
That sort of supported.
01:20:25:19 - 01:20:29:17
Speaker 2
My ankle. That was worked fairly well for me.
01:20:29:17 - 01:20:33:06
Speaker 3
And so I was able to go and use like very gentle ski tours.
01:20:34:06 - 01:20:34:11
Speaker 2
You know.
01:20:34:11 - 01:20:37:10
Speaker 3
Like especially during like really just walking the skis on my feet.
01:20:37:18 - 01:20:39:23
Speaker 2
But I could get back into the mountains a little bit and.
01:20:39:23 - 01:20:41:20
Speaker 3
That was like just really, really human.
01:20:41:20 - 01:20:46:07
Speaker 2
Form and it was able to, you know.
01:20:47:04 - 01:20:53:19
Speaker 3
Progress over there. I couldn't actually ski because I know my hip wasn't strong enough to support me, but I could I could walk with skis on my.
01:20:53:19 - 01:20:57:07
Speaker 2
Feet with a heavy boot on and that felt really good.
01:20:57:07 - 01:20:57:18
Speaker 3
And that sort of.
01:20:58:04 - 01:20:59:07
Speaker 2
Got my whole body moving.
01:20:59:07 - 01:21:01:09
Speaker 3
Again, was working closely with physios that.
01:21:01:09 - 01:21:07:01
Speaker 2
Time and I remember I was like, Oh, I, you know, my.
01:21:07:02 - 01:21:07:19
Speaker 3
Body is actually.
01:21:08:10 - 01:21:09:04
Speaker 2
Got a little cocky.
01:21:09:04 - 01:21:11:07
Speaker 3
Here. And I was like, I can do it for 20 minutes.
01:21:13:00 - 01:21:13:16
Speaker 2
And but.
01:21:13:16 - 01:21:17:14
Speaker 3
At the same time, I was also still going through like a big personal crisis about.
01:21:17:14 - 01:21:18:18
Speaker 2
What like what?
01:21:19:07 - 01:21:21:13
Speaker 3
What does all this mean? What does my future look like?
01:21:22:02 - 01:21:23:17
Speaker 2
And the.
01:21:24:06 - 01:21:25:22
Speaker 3
The Hardrock Hundred has a.
01:21:25:22 - 01:21:28:04
Speaker 2
Lottery, and the lottery.
01:21:28:04 - 01:21:29:15
Speaker 3
Application process came up.
01:21:30:05 - 01:21:31:05
Speaker 2
And, you know, maybe.
01:21:31:05 - 01:21:35:18
Speaker 3
You guys can relate to this that know you're also looking for some normalcy in your life during that time.
01:21:35:18 - 01:21:36:04
Speaker 2
Period.
01:21:37:05 - 01:21:44:03
Speaker 3
You know, your whole pores shaken. You look for things that are familiar. And I was like, well.
01:21:44:12 - 01:21:50:22
Speaker 2
You're my name in the lottery. Yeah, probably not going to get picked. Having not had the injury.
01:21:50:22 - 01:21:51:21
Speaker 3
This is exactly what I'd.
01:21:51:21 - 01:21:52:15
Speaker 2
Be doing right now.
01:21:52:18 - 01:21:59:05
Speaker 1
Was it was it handpicked or like an algorithm? Like, was there some asshole at the Hard Rock who is like Adam Campbell?
01:21:59:05 - 01:22:05:14
Speaker 4
Like this guy said, like, I'll just throw his name in, like, you know.
01:22:05:14 - 01:22:06:20
Speaker 2
Yeah, I know. Exactly.
01:22:06:20 - 01:22:07:02
Speaker 3
Yeah.
01:22:07:02 - 01:22:09:09
Speaker 2
So I so I put my name in the lottery.
01:22:09:09 - 01:22:11:08
Speaker 3
And I honestly, I didn't really think much about it.
01:22:11:08 - 01:22:16:18
Speaker 2
At that point. And I remember being out for going out.
01:22:16:18 - 01:22:17:07
Speaker 3
For a ski.
01:22:17:07 - 01:22:18:05
Speaker 2
With Laura in the.
01:22:18:05 - 01:22:19:10
Speaker 3
Backcountry somewhere.
01:22:19:10 - 01:22:21:03
Speaker 2
And when we came.
01:22:21:03 - 01:22:23:16
Speaker 3
Back in the cell signal, all of a sudden my phone was just like.
01:22:23:16 - 01:22:26:16
Speaker 2
Blown up and like, Whoa, what's happening?
01:22:26:16 - 01:22:27:05
Speaker 3
I was like, Oh.
01:22:27:05 - 01:22:30:04
Speaker 2
Congrats, man. Is great news, right? Like, All right.
01:22:30:12 - 01:22:33:17
Speaker 3
Well, this is I think.
01:22:33:17 - 01:22:35:07
Speaker 2
This is in early.
01:22:35:07 - 01:22:36:14
Speaker 3
December or mid-December.
01:22:36:14 - 01:22:42:06
Speaker 2
So it's like, you know, they broke my back on August 30th.
01:22:42:06 - 01:22:43:21
Speaker 3
Oh, you know, so talking.
01:22:44:04 - 01:22:44:19
Speaker 2
Two and a half.
01:22:44:19 - 01:22:46:02
Speaker 3
Months after.
01:22:48:10 - 01:22:49:15
Speaker 2
After the accident.
01:22:50:19 - 01:22:52:15
Speaker 4
Your ski touring already by this point.
01:22:53:03 - 01:22:56:01
Speaker 2
Well the ski during I was like.
01:22:56:02 - 01:23:01:13
Speaker 4
Still you were standing in ski boots and cruising around the mountains. I was in a wheelchair, man. I was in a wheelchair for that. Yeah.
01:23:01:22 - 01:23:02:13
Speaker 2
Yeah, I.
01:23:02:13 - 01:23:10:15
Speaker 3
Was I was super, super fortunate. That's just the nature of the injury was I was lucky in the ski, but it was good because it.
01:23:10:15 - 01:23:16:15
Speaker 2
Held my ankles. Yeah, yeah. It was one leg I couldn't, I couldn't run or and hiking kind of.
01:23:16:15 - 01:23:21:16
Speaker 3
Hurt and skijoring in a stiff boot actually felt like somewhat decent.
01:23:21:23 - 01:23:29:11
Speaker 2
Luckily, you know, then I ever fell out of it. And yeah, I.
01:23:29:11 - 01:23:31:07
Speaker 3
Do actually a bit of a funny story because.
01:23:31:20 - 01:23:32:15
Speaker 2
Laura loved.
01:23:32:15 - 01:23:33:12
Speaker 3
Fly fishing.
01:23:33:23 - 01:23:34:18
Speaker 2
And I.
01:23:34:21 - 01:23:37:07
Speaker 3
Just don't really fly fish that much. And so.
01:23:37:07 - 01:23:38:14
Speaker 2
Finally, I would agree.
01:23:38:14 - 01:23:39:13
Speaker 3
To go fly fishing.
01:23:39:13 - 01:23:41:22
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's hard patience.
01:23:41:22 - 01:23:48:08
Speaker 3
Right. And I just like I like moving too much. And so finally agreed to go fly fishing. And so we found this little spot that was.
01:23:48:21 - 01:23:49:10
Speaker 2
Maybe 100.
01:23:49:10 - 01:23:50:22
Speaker 3
Meters away from the shore.
01:23:52:02 - 01:23:53:00
Speaker 2
And it put.
01:23:53:00 - 01:23:55:02
Speaker 3
On some waders. And so while.
01:23:55:02 - 01:23:56:21
Speaker 2
On my way down to the water and all this.
01:23:57:01 - 01:23:59:19
Speaker 3
Is like one of my first outings and it starts to snow.
01:23:59:19 - 01:24:00:15
Speaker 2
And so I was.
01:24:00:15 - 01:24:01:13
Speaker 3
Actually super pretty.
01:24:01:13 - 01:24:04:10
Speaker 2
And sitting here and like, you know, casting and, you know, the.
01:24:04:10 - 01:24:06:14
Speaker 3
Gas and I'm like, Oh, it's mercenary showing.
01:24:06:14 - 01:24:07:07
Speaker 2
You what to do.
01:24:07:07 - 01:24:11:16
Speaker 3
And all of a sudden I'm like, I just, like, sink into mud.
01:24:11:16 - 01:24:13:13
Speaker 2
And I'm like, I can't get out.
01:24:14:02 - 01:24:16:22
Speaker 3
Like, I'm not strong enough. I can't physically.
01:24:16:22 - 01:24:26:14
Speaker 2
Get out of it. So I called for Lawrence, who had to drag me out of the mud, was like, I.
01:24:26:16 - 01:24:30:21
Speaker 3
Was a luxury try.
01:24:30:21 - 01:24:31:06
Speaker 2
Yeah.
01:24:32:12 - 01:24:35:02
Speaker 4
Oh, the earth was trying to reclaim you.
01:24:35:15 - 01:24:44:07
Speaker 2
Yeah, this was when I was. I just, like, really comical, totally dumb. It's a oh, my God.
01:24:44:07 - 01:24:45:17
Speaker 3
It's, like, resigned to being stuck.
01:24:45:17 - 01:24:48:08
Speaker 2
Here because I was not.
01:24:48:14 - 01:24:49:17
Speaker 3
Patient enough to sit.
01:24:49:17 - 01:24:50:11
Speaker 2
Still at home.
01:24:51:19 - 01:24:52:04
Speaker 3
What I should.
01:24:52:04 - 01:24:58:00
Speaker 2
Have been doing. But yeah, so and when I got.
01:24:58:00 - 01:25:00:03
Speaker 3
Back and I was like, I'm everyday I was in Hard Rock.
01:25:00:08 - 01:25:07:03
Speaker 2
Okay, well, I mean, I can't, I can't run, can't get really high. But you know, it's still yeah.
01:25:07:06 - 01:25:12:06
Speaker 3
Seven months away, so who knows?
01:25:12:06 - 01:25:18:05
Speaker 2
And Laura and I went away to we went down.
01:25:18:05 - 01:25:19:05
Speaker 3
To she was working in.
01:25:19:05 - 01:25:28:01
Speaker 2
Guatemala and at a little clinic down there. You really, really beautiful, really, really beautiful area called Lake Arctic Lab.
01:25:28:01 - 01:25:28:18
Speaker 3
And she was working.
01:25:28:23 - 01:25:31:14
Speaker 2
In a village on the lake and I.
01:25:31:14 - 01:25:32:18
Speaker 3
Went down and visited her down.
01:25:32:18 - 01:25:33:06
Speaker 2
There.
01:25:33:06 - 01:25:35:00
Speaker 3
And those boys are.
01:25:35:02 - 01:25:39:07
Speaker 2
Able to hike a little bit by that point. And without the volcano.
01:25:39:18 - 01:25:41:04
Speaker 3
I can't I go, which is.
01:25:41:22 - 01:25:41:23
Speaker 2
I.
01:25:42:05 - 01:25:43:17
Speaker 3
Think is the most frequently erupting.
01:25:43:17 - 01:25:44:14
Speaker 2
Volcano in the world.
01:25:44:14 - 01:25:47:15
Speaker 3
And because it South America, you actually loved to camp on the site of.
01:25:47:23 - 01:25:48:05
Speaker 2
This.
01:25:49:00 - 01:25:49:13
Speaker 3
Conflict.
01:25:49:13 - 01:25:50:17
Speaker 2
Erupting but you'd.
01:25:50:17 - 01:25:55:14
Speaker 3
Watch the the volcano tonight was really beautiful but I was slowly able to start like.
01:25:55:14 - 01:26:01:10
Speaker 2
Walking a little bit by that point. I could do like an hour or two hour hike, you know, with with.
01:26:01:10 - 01:26:02:18
Speaker 3
Poles and stuff, but I.
01:26:02:18 - 01:26:05:14
Speaker 2
Could do it. And then just.
01:26:06:05 - 01:26:08:15
Speaker 3
As the winter kind of went on, I was able to start skiing.
01:26:08:15 - 01:26:10:12
Speaker 2
A little bit and sort of get.
01:26:10:12 - 01:26:11:20
Speaker 3
Gained a little bit of strength.
01:26:11:20 - 01:26:14:08
Speaker 2
And come April's.
01:26:14:08 - 01:26:15:12
Speaker 3
Like, Oh, maybe I can start trying.
01:26:15:12 - 01:26:16:00
Speaker 2
To run a.
01:26:16:00 - 01:26:17:03
Speaker 3
Little bit. And, you.
01:26:17:03 - 01:26:21:06
Speaker 2
Know, I could do like my run was not really a.
01:26:21:06 - 01:26:22:20
Speaker 3
Run. It was kind of more like a.
01:26:23:09 - 01:26:25:21
Speaker 2
You know, giddy up kind of shuffle work and.
01:26:26:06 - 01:26:27:04
Speaker 3
More of a shuffle.
01:26:27:04 - 01:26:29:03
Speaker 2
But, you know, doing a.
01:26:29:03 - 01:26:30:01
Speaker 3
Race, Hardrock.
01:26:30:05 - 01:26:30:23
Speaker 2
You have.
01:26:31:15 - 01:26:36:14
Speaker 3
To say, is it 48 hours to finish it then or 70 hours? I don't.
01:26:36:14 - 01:26:39:20
Speaker 2
Remember. I think it's I think it's.
01:26:40:06 - 01:26:41:15
Speaker 3
70 hours to finish.
01:26:41:16 - 01:26:51:08
Speaker 2
And I'm like, well, I can do it. I can hike that. You know, maybe if I may not be able to run it, but can hike it.
01:26:51:08 - 01:26:52:12
Speaker 3
And so I started just.
01:26:52:17 - 01:26:55:02
Speaker 2
Hiking quite a lot and.
01:26:56:16 - 01:26:57:09
Speaker 3
That seemed to be.
01:26:57:09 - 01:27:00:00
Speaker 2
Okay. And then come.
01:27:00:05 - 01:27:01:11
Speaker 3
June, I've served a run.
01:27:01:11 - 01:27:06:14
Speaker 2
A little bit and I'm like, well, I'm, I'm actually like feeling somewhat decent. Like, not, yeah.
01:27:06:22 - 01:27:08:05
Speaker 3
Nothing relative to where I was.
01:27:08:05 - 01:27:13:03
Speaker 2
And then I invited Nick and Dakota.
01:27:13:03 - 01:27:14:14
Speaker 3
Dakota and Durango.
01:27:14:14 - 01:27:14:17
Speaker 2
And.
01:27:14:17 - 01:27:16:01
Speaker 3
Nicholas and Squamish, and they.
01:27:16:01 - 01:27:17:04
Speaker 2
Invited them to.
01:27:17:04 - 01:27:17:14
Speaker 3
Come out to.
01:27:17:14 - 01:27:19:06
Speaker 2
Crew with me at the.
01:27:19:06 - 01:27:19:14
Speaker 3
Race.
01:27:19:15 - 01:27:20:17
Speaker 2
And Aaron, who.
01:27:20:17 - 01:27:27:13
Speaker 3
I was in the lightning strike with, came out as well. And so it was also this really beautiful celebration of.
01:27:28:09 - 01:27:28:18
Speaker 2
You know.
01:27:30:15 - 01:27:39:11
Speaker 3
Basically thanking them for what they'd done to, save my life to get to go and spend time with them and to show them that I really was okay. Because I was also really conscious of the fact that.
01:27:39:22 - 01:27:40:08
Speaker 2
They've gone.
01:27:40:08 - 01:27:41:10
Speaker 3
Through this huge trauma.
01:27:41:11 - 01:27:42:08
Speaker 2
Like they didn't have the.
01:27:42:08 - 01:27:43:00
Speaker 3
Physical.
01:27:43:10 - 01:27:45:01
Speaker 2
Injury that I did, but they they thought.
01:27:45:01 - 01:27:46:03
Speaker 3
They were watching their partner.
01:27:46:03 - 01:27:46:14
Speaker 2
Die.
01:27:46:23 - 01:27:49:06
Speaker 3
Yeah, like, that's horrific to go through.
01:27:49:18 - 01:27:55:09
Speaker 2
And unlike me, who has, you know, like an.
01:27:55:09 - 01:27:57:16
Speaker 3
Ellen, it's easy for you to understand what I went.
01:27:57:16 - 01:27:59:18
Speaker 2
Through. They're both quite, like.
01:28:00:05 - 01:28:02:02
Speaker 3
Silent types and, like, they're.
01:28:02:13 - 01:28:03:07
Speaker 2
You know, fairly.
01:28:03:07 - 01:28:04:19
Speaker 3
Reserved private people, and they just.
01:28:05:06 - 01:28:08:02
Speaker 2
Have people that they can talk to about it either.
01:28:08:15 - 01:28:12:13
Speaker 3
And so I was conscious of that.
01:28:12:13 - 01:28:14:15
Speaker 2
And so I thought it would be a.
01:28:14:15 - 01:28:21:12
Speaker 3
Really nice thing for them to see, but I really wasn't as well and hopefully is somewhat cathartic for all of us as well.
01:28:21:12 - 01:28:30:23
Speaker 2
And so yeah, I went and you know, waddled my way around Hardrock, you know, and know in 33.
01:28:30:23 - 01:28:34:04
Speaker 3
Hours or 33 and a half hours and probably the most.
01:28:35:08 - 01:28:37:15
Speaker 2
Horrible thing I've ever done and you know, was.
01:28:37:15 - 01:28:38:02
Speaker 3
Probably.
01:28:38:02 - 01:28:38:20
Speaker 2
A.
01:28:38:20 - 01:28:39:14
Speaker 3
Big mistake.
01:28:39:23 - 01:28:40:03
Speaker 2
In.
01:28:40:03 - 01:28:41:16
Speaker 3
A lot of ways. Like it set me back.
01:28:41:16 - 01:28:42:14
Speaker 2
In, you know.
01:28:42:14 - 01:28:43:09
Speaker 3
Physically.
01:28:43:21 - 01:28:44:07
Speaker 2
Doing.
01:28:44:07 - 01:28:44:17
Speaker 3
It and.
01:28:45:20 - 01:28:46:00
Speaker 2
Then.
01:28:46:00 - 01:28:49:04
Speaker 3
Even emotionally a little bit because I was just so much discomfort.
01:28:49:15 - 01:28:51:08
Speaker 2
The one thing I hadn't really factored in.
01:28:51:19 - 01:28:55:02
Speaker 3
In signing up for the event was just easy. It was going to be.
01:28:55:02 - 01:28:57:15
Speaker 2
To quit because nobody's going to call me up for.
01:28:57:15 - 01:28:58:02
Speaker 3
Dropping.
01:28:58:02 - 01:29:02:17
Speaker 2
Out of 50 or 50 miles or any day. And my body.
01:29:02:17 - 01:29:04:14
Speaker 3
Was it was okay actually doing.
01:29:04:14 - 01:29:05:16
Speaker 2
Fairly well through.
01:29:05:16 - 01:29:08:22
Speaker 3
12 hours. And then all of a sudden it was just the most.
01:29:08:22 - 01:29:11:16
Speaker 2
Agony and ever and ever been in. And I.
01:29:11:16 - 01:29:12:02
Speaker 3
Was feeling.
01:29:12:02 - 01:29:14:03
Speaker 2
Really bad and I remember at one point.
01:29:14:03 - 01:29:20:01
Speaker 3
I was lying there and I was like, I can't believe Mikkelsen is never me slowly in the mountains before and was feeling really.
01:29:20:01 - 01:29:20:08
Speaker 2
Bad.
01:29:20:11 - 01:29:21:08
Speaker 3
Like there's.
01:29:22:22 - 01:29:27:06
Speaker 2
There. But I did finish, but I did.
01:29:27:06 - 01:29:29:10
Speaker 3
Finish and he was really, really emotional.
01:29:29:10 - 01:29:31:07
Speaker 2
And wow, it was.
01:29:31:07 - 01:29:32:04
Speaker 3
Really powerful.
01:29:32:04 - 01:29:36:06
Speaker 2
To to have, you know, I walked the.
01:29:36:06 - 01:29:36:16
Speaker 3
Last.
01:29:36:21 - 01:29:38:05
Speaker 2
Ten or 12.
01:29:38:05 - 01:29:39:04
Speaker 3
Hours of the race.
01:29:39:13 - 01:29:52:08
Speaker 4
What what what possessed you to continue on for the last after 12 hours? What was the driving force?
01:29:52:08 - 01:29:54:02
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, you know, one part of.
01:29:54:02 - 01:29:54:17
Speaker 3
It was the.
01:29:56:03 - 01:29:57:02
Speaker 2
You know, part.
01:29:57:02 - 01:29:58:14
Speaker 3
Of it was just like, this is kind of what.
01:29:58:14 - 01:29:59:01
Speaker 2
I do.
01:29:59:13 - 01:30:03:02
Speaker 3
I am tough enough to do this, so why not do it?
01:30:03:02 - 01:30:04:09
Speaker 2
And part of it.
01:30:04:09 - 01:30:05:14
Speaker 3
Was wanting to do.
01:30:05:14 - 01:30:06:20
Speaker 2
It for neck in the coda.
01:30:06:21 - 01:30:12:12
Speaker 3
And I'd also kind of stupidly had a film crew following me. I was like.
01:30:12:12 - 01:30:13:13
Speaker 2
There you.
01:30:13:15 - 01:30:16:12
Speaker 4
Go, that's it. That's. And that will keep you from.
01:30:17:15 - 01:30:26:08
Speaker 2
Huge Kodachrome structure. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know. There was I just I didn't even.
01:30:26:08 - 01:30:28:03
Speaker 3
Know I was in a lot of discomfort.
01:30:28:03 - 01:30:30:02
Speaker 2
And I didn't actually have like a.
01:30:30:02 - 01:30:30:23
Speaker 3
Valid reason to.
01:30:30:23 - 01:30:32:16
Speaker 2
Not keep going at.
01:30:32:16 - 01:30:33:01
Speaker 3
The time.
01:30:34:11 - 01:30:34:20
Speaker 2
Which is.
01:30:35:06 - 01:30:36:14
Speaker 3
Honestly also it was it was.
01:30:37:08 - 01:30:37:17
Speaker 2
Part of the.
01:30:37:17 - 01:30:39:03
Speaker 3
Reason for doing it was also.
01:30:39:03 - 01:30:40:03
Speaker 2
Really ego driven.
01:30:40:03 - 01:30:40:18
Speaker 3
And.
01:30:41:11 - 01:30:43:05
Speaker 2
I think if I could go back and have a.
01:30:43:05 - 01:30:45:03
Speaker 3
Have a chat with myself.
01:30:46:23 - 01:30:47:23
Speaker 2
I'd be like, Don't do it.
01:30:47:23 - 01:30:48:11
Speaker 3
It's not.
01:30:48:11 - 01:30:49:03
Speaker 2
Worth it. Like.
01:30:49:12 - 01:30:50:06
Speaker 3
Don't do something.
01:30:50:06 - 01:30:51:11
Speaker 2
Smaller, build back.
01:30:51:11 - 01:30:53:09
Speaker 3
More progressively and slowly.
01:30:55:21 - 01:30:59:15
Speaker 2
Because you just like you have nothing to prove, like, hey, it's okay. But at.
01:30:59:15 - 01:31:00:15
Speaker 3
The time I also, I.
01:31:00:15 - 01:31:02:14
Speaker 2
Did kind of need like a big.
01:31:02:14 - 01:31:03:02
Speaker 3
Audacious.
01:31:03:02 - 01:31:04:14
Speaker 2
Goal. And I and I do think that.
01:31:04:14 - 01:31:04:21
Speaker 3
Because.
01:31:04:23 - 01:31:05:08
Speaker 2
That.
01:31:05:13 - 01:31:08:01
Speaker 3
It actually sped up my recovery to some degree, because it.
01:31:08:10 - 01:31:08:21
Speaker 2
I kind of.
01:31:08:21 - 01:31:10:02
Speaker 3
Force myself to.
01:31:10:02 - 01:31:12:01
Speaker 2
Do to move like I had.
01:31:12:01 - 01:31:15:10
Speaker 3
A really good team around me of like physios and.
01:31:15:10 - 01:31:16:00
Speaker 2
And.
01:31:16:00 - 01:31:16:12
Speaker 3
People sort of.
01:31:16:12 - 01:31:20:01
Speaker 2
Looking out for me. But I do think it got.
01:31:20:01 - 01:31:21:04
Speaker 3
Me to push myself maybe.
01:31:21:04 - 01:31:24:03
Speaker 2
A little bit more than I thought I would have. But the actual.
01:31:24:03 - 01:31:24:14
Speaker 3
Racing.
01:31:25:02 - 01:31:26:15
Speaker 2
And being out there for that long.
01:31:28:16 - 01:31:30:17
Speaker 3
In retrospect was it was too much.
01:31:31:16 - 01:31:32:09
Speaker 2
And I didn't.
01:31:32:09 - 01:31:33:12
Speaker 3
Need to put myself through that.
01:31:33:18 - 01:31:34:11
Speaker 2
But it was also.
01:31:34:11 - 01:31:35:15
Speaker 3
It was it was really it was a.
01:31:35:15 - 01:31:36:07
Speaker 2
Wild.
01:31:37:00 - 01:31:42:14
Speaker 3
Experience to have as well because these races start quite slowly, like on a relative scale, you're not.
01:31:42:14 - 01:31:45:15
Speaker 2
Moving that quickly. And so like Morning of.
01:31:45:15 - 01:31:50:13
Speaker 3
The Race, I like lined up like more or less at the front of the race, like with my friends, like where I would.
01:31:50:13 - 01:31:51:18
Speaker 2
Have done gone.
01:31:52:02 - 01:31:52:13
Speaker 3
Traditionally.
01:31:52:13 - 01:31:56:21
Speaker 2
And then when the gunman is able to run with my, you know, like my, my.
01:31:56:21 - 01:32:00:23
Speaker 3
Peer group for the first five or six kilometers and then all of a sudden.
01:32:00:23 - 01:32:02:12
Speaker 2
Like that group of people.
01:32:02:21 - 01:32:03:22
Speaker 3
Just are running away from.
01:32:03:22 - 01:32:04:04
Speaker 2
Me.
01:32:04:04 - 01:32:08:21
Speaker 3
And it was literally like my former self running away from me is like a.
01:32:08:21 - 01:32:09:22
Speaker 2
Full embodiment of.
01:32:09:22 - 01:32:10:21
Speaker 3
It. And so that was like a.
01:32:10:21 - 01:32:11:14
Speaker 2
Wild.
01:32:12:01 - 01:32:13:11
Speaker 3
Experience to go through.
01:32:13:11 - 01:32:14:12
Speaker 2
And to really.
01:32:14:12 - 01:32:14:20
Speaker 3
Just sort of.
01:32:14:20 - 01:32:16:23
Speaker 2
Deal with my.
01:32:16:23 - 01:32:19:12
Speaker 3
New physical reality. And I remember just stopping and.
01:32:19:12 - 01:32:21:14
Speaker 2
Crying and sort of walking.
01:32:21:14 - 01:32:23:14
Speaker 3
And it just had this huge emotional.
01:32:24:01 - 01:32:28:01
Speaker 2
Outlet and a release of, you know, the.
01:32:28:01 - 01:32:31:09
Speaker 3
Previous few months. And this, you know.
01:32:31:19 - 01:32:33:17
Speaker 2
One of the top women.
01:32:33:17 - 01:32:35:18
Speaker 3
Athletes, just women. And across from New Zealand.
01:32:36:01 - 01:32:37:08
Speaker 2
I've known for a long time like.
01:32:37:21 - 01:32:42:01
Speaker 3
You know, just came up to me and just stopped and just gave me like a huge hug. And she's like, Honey.
01:32:42:13 - 01:32:43:03
Speaker 2
You have nothing.
01:32:43:03 - 01:32:45:01
Speaker 3
To prove today. You know, we're just really.
01:32:45:01 - 01:32:45:12
Speaker 2
Happy that.
01:32:45:12 - 01:32:50:01
Speaker 3
You're here with us. And so that she gave me permission as well to sort of just.
01:32:50:13 - 01:32:51:23
Speaker 2
Sort of change my mind frame.
01:32:51:23 - 01:33:02:00
Speaker 3
And try to enjoy the experience as well. And also just it was going to hurt. And so I kind of just embraced the fact that it was hurting as well, just like, yeah, so.
01:33:02:12 - 01:33:04:00
Speaker 2
There's like, you know, like a.
01:33:04:00 - 01:33:09:05
Speaker 3
Lot of emotions. It's a lot of things. But the reason was mostly just stubbornness.
01:33:10:15 - 01:33:12:11
Speaker 4
Wow. Inspiring and super cool.
01:33:13:08 - 01:33:14:15
Speaker 2
No, thank you. Yeah.
01:33:15:11 - 01:33:29:10
Speaker 1
Yeah I mean, it's a lot. I think there's a lot of things to go on there. I think you touched them, obviously. Definitely inspiring a little bit. Ridiculous as well, you know, in a lot of capacity. Yeah, yeah.
01:33:30:12 - 01:33:31:03
Speaker 2
They all are.
01:33:31:04 - 01:33:58:09
Speaker 1
Yeah. And I think it's interesting as well. It was the whole the grass is greener because it's always perspective and relative. Right. You're finishing the hard rock in 33 hours and compared to how you previously were that's such a detriment to yourself, you know, and you you're saying you're watching these people run away from you, but yet you're still in this absolute, like, unbelievable peak physical and this amazing recovery time.
01:33:59:05 - 01:34:16:15
Speaker 1
And so, you know, it's it's easy to not have the perspective of understanding, like what you've lost in that moment. Right. It's it's so easy to be like, oh, well, you're still super fed and you're doing amazing. And all these things like, you know, like, like you should be thankful, but it's like, well, that's really easy to say and it's hard to actualize, right?
01:34:16:15 - 01:34:31:10
Speaker 1
And especially when you've lost something that's so meaningful to you that you kind of feel like you're never going to be the same. Like, that's that's something, that's really difficult. And that, yeah, that's all relative to each and every single one of us, right? Depending on our skills and what we're capable of doing.
01:34:32:15 - 01:34:34:03
Speaker 3
You know, for sure. I mean.
01:34:34:03 - 01:34:37:06
Speaker 2
One thing that that I.
01:34:37:06 - 01:34:37:13
Speaker 3
Struggle.
01:34:37:13 - 01:34:37:19
Speaker 2
With.
01:34:38:04 - 01:34:38:21
Speaker 3
On a personal.
01:34:38:21 - 01:34:42:05
Speaker 2
Level is, you know, I'm quite like and.
01:34:42:06 - 01:34:46:20
Speaker 3
I've always been quite hard on myself as an athlete especially, and always want.
01:34:46:20 - 01:34:51:17
Speaker 2
To be like better than I am or do better or like I know.
01:34:52:07 - 01:34:56:06
Speaker 3
There's a reason why you keep going back to these things as well. As, you know, there's always things you can improve.
01:34:57:07 - 01:34:58:01
Speaker 2
Improve on.
01:34:59:16 - 01:35:01:00
Speaker 3
And so I think I was.
01:35:01:20 - 01:35:02:05
Speaker 2
You know.
01:35:02:13 - 01:35:09:12
Speaker 3
Sort of held that same attitude to this event. And so, once again, it's sort of a bit of trying to recalibrate.
01:35:10:14 - 01:35:12:04
Speaker 2
That mindset, even though, you know, I.
01:35:12:04 - 01:35:17:05
Speaker 3
Told myself at the start that it was just going to be there, enjoy the experience. You know, I still.
01:35:17:17 - 01:35:18:03
Speaker 2
You know.
01:35:19:02 - 01:35:22:07
Speaker 3
Felonies like previous patterns, you know, lined up at the start.
01:35:22:07 - 01:35:22:20
Speaker 2
Gun went off.
01:35:23:04 - 01:35:23:21
Speaker 3
Task like it.
01:35:24:04 - 01:35:24:22
Speaker 2
Normally would.
01:35:25:05 - 01:35:26:03
Speaker 3
It's hard to.
01:35:26:16 - 01:35:27:02
Speaker 2
To.
01:35:28:01 - 01:35:32:09
Speaker 3
To dump this off perceptions and it was kind of forced upon me.
01:35:32:09 - 01:35:33:05
Speaker 2
You know, the other thing.
01:35:33:10 - 01:35:37:01
Speaker 3
Which is it was kind of a funny situation is.
01:35:38:03 - 01:35:45:03
Speaker 2
Know, like, I don't want to be inspiring. I want to be fast, you know, like that's like it's like.
01:35:45:22 - 01:35:48:08
Speaker 3
But it's not. But that's not those aren't the cards I have.
01:35:48:08 - 01:35:49:23
Speaker 2
I am learning to.
01:35:49:23 - 01:35:50:10
Speaker 3
Accept the.
01:35:50:10 - 01:35:51:09
Speaker 2
Fact that I have.
01:35:51:09 - 01:35:51:18
Speaker 3
This.
01:35:52:08 - 01:35:56:04
Speaker 2
Um, this new hand I'm learning how to play with in life.
01:35:57:13 - 01:36:00:02
Speaker 3
And it's, it's a different it's a different one. So.
01:36:00:19 - 01:36:23:01
Speaker 1
Yeah, so, so, you know, obviously, you know, you, you did the hard rock. I don't really know what the time period in between there too, you know, 2020 was like. So I mean, you could give us like a quick one over or we could kind of just jump right into into, you know. Yeah. What happened?
01:36:23:19 - 01:36:31:11
Speaker 2
No for sure. I mean, yeah. So the one thing Laura and I, we're getting married the week after Hardrock.
01:36:32:00 - 01:36:34:10
Speaker 3
So the one, the one two year rule that I had was I wasn't.
01:36:34:10 - 01:36:35:13
Speaker 2
Allowed to injure.
01:36:35:13 - 01:36:37:12
Speaker 3
Might hurt myself so badly that I couldn't dance at.
01:36:37:12 - 01:36:38:21
Speaker 2
Our wedding and.
01:36:40:23 - 01:36:41:17
Speaker 3
6 hours.
01:36:42:01 - 01:36:44:22
Speaker 2
After. And luckily I.
01:36:44:22 - 01:36:45:16
Speaker 3
Recovered just.
01:36:45:16 - 01:36:50:01
Speaker 2
Enough. So you have a wicked dance party. So I.
01:36:50:16 - 01:36:51:02
Speaker 3
Abided.
01:36:51:02 - 01:36:54:13
Speaker 2
By the one. The one rule that we had and then we had.
01:36:54:13 - 01:36:55:16
Speaker 3
A is a really beautiful.
01:36:55:16 - 01:37:00:02
Speaker 2
Wedding. And yeah, we got married at the Alpine Club in in.
01:37:00:05 - 01:37:05:08
Speaker 3
Canmore, which is a really stunning, stunning view, a nice view of the mountains in the.
01:37:05:08 - 01:37:07:19
Speaker 2
Background. And from there.
01:37:07:19 - 01:37:08:15
Speaker 3
We went up to the.
01:37:08:15 - 01:37:10:20
Speaker 2
Yukon and the road.
01:37:10:20 - 01:37:11:06
Speaker 3
Trip down to.
01:37:11:06 - 01:37:12:20
Speaker 2
The Yukon and we ended up.
01:37:13:05 - 01:37:16:00
Speaker 3
Having some incredible experiences together. Laura was also.
01:37:16:10 - 01:37:17:01
Speaker 2
A climber.
01:37:17:01 - 01:37:20:14
Speaker 3
In a country skier, and you know, she became.
01:37:20:18 - 01:37:23:15
Speaker 2
My primary mountain partner and we did a lot of really.
01:37:24:01 - 01:37:25:13
Speaker 3
Fun routes. Your dad was also a.
01:37:25:13 - 01:37:26:03
Speaker 2
Climber and he.
01:37:26:04 - 01:37:29:15
Speaker 3
Passed away. I never actually had the chance to meet him, but.
01:37:29:15 - 01:37:29:17
Speaker 2
You.
01:37:29:17 - 01:37:36:18
Speaker 3
Know, he'd found his old logbooks and we were trying to repeat some of his all his old climbs. And luckily he climbed most of the classics. So this.
01:37:37:02 - 01:37:37:06
Speaker 2
Is a.
01:37:37:06 - 01:37:39:07
Speaker 3
Really special thing to have to get to share.
01:37:39:07 - 01:37:45:07
Speaker 2
Together, you know, to have your, you know, your real partner, be your romantic partners.
01:37:45:07 - 01:37:46:06
Speaker 3
All of these have these.
01:37:46:08 - 01:37:47:07
Speaker 2
Really deep, profound.
01:37:47:07 - 01:37:49:10
Speaker 3
Connections.
01:37:49:10 - 01:37:49:18
Speaker 2
And we.
01:37:50:01 - 01:37:51:17
Speaker 3
Traveled to six continents together.
01:37:52:15 - 01:37:53:01
Speaker 2
In.
01:37:53:17 - 01:37:54:09
Speaker 3
Which is.
01:37:54:18 - 01:37:55:16
Speaker 2
Really beautiful.
01:37:55:16 - 01:38:05:01
Speaker 3
And Laura just loved that country and she was logging in the mountains and she she actually switched into family medicine specifically. So we.
01:38:05:02 - 01:38:05:13
Speaker 2
Live.
01:38:05:13 - 01:38:19:06
Speaker 3
In a small mountain town. And so she could have a bit more flexibility with her schedule. And so we would backcountry ski 60 to 100 days a year together, which is pretty grown. I spend a lot of time.
01:38:19:07 - 01:38:19:12
Speaker 2
In the.
01:38:19:12 - 01:38:20:01
Speaker 3
Mountains in.
01:38:20:01 - 01:38:22:18
Speaker 2
General and I.
01:38:22:18 - 01:38:23:02
Speaker 3
Guess.
01:38:24:01 - 01:38:24:08
Speaker 2
Yeah.
01:38:24:23 - 01:38:26:14
Speaker 3
To sort of get.
01:38:26:14 - 01:38:27:05
Speaker 2
Into it and.
01:38:27:13 - 01:38:29:03
Speaker 3
January 2020, I was.
01:38:31:13 - 01:38:35:12
Speaker 2
Skiing with her and a friend and in.
01:38:35:20 - 01:38:36:14
Speaker 3
National Park.
01:38:36:14 - 01:38:39:06
Speaker 2
And we picked her up from from work that morning.
01:38:39:06 - 01:38:41:09
Speaker 3
Like she'd done around the hospital.
01:38:41:09 - 01:38:43:08
Speaker 2
And picked her up. And we went out there and.
01:38:43:18 - 01:38:46:07
Speaker 3
It was a considerable hazard.
01:38:46:07 - 01:38:46:15
Speaker 2
Day.
01:38:47:22 - 01:38:48:22
Speaker 3
Zero. But I want to say.
01:38:48:22 - 01:38:50:12
Speaker 2
That from Kevin.
01:38:50:12 - 01:38:52:02
Speaker 3
Was a ski guide.
01:38:52:23 - 01:38:53:05
Speaker 2
You know.
01:38:53:09 - 01:38:54:10
Speaker 3
At the highest level.
01:38:54:10 - 01:38:54:20
Speaker 2
You know, like.
01:38:55:01 - 01:38:55:14
Speaker 3
The highest level.
01:38:55:14 - 01:38:55:22
Speaker 2
Of.
01:38:55:22 - 01:39:05:14
Speaker 3
Avalanche training with like a recreational skier. And so we both spent a lot of time in the mountains and snowpacks and, you know, so.
01:39:06:07 - 01:39:09:09
Speaker 2
Got a lot of backcountry.
01:39:09:09 - 01:39:15:04
Speaker 3
Knowledge between the three of us. And we want to go check out a new trust zone.
01:39:15:15 - 01:39:16:17
Speaker 2
That we heard a little bit about.
01:39:17:05 - 01:39:19:11
Speaker 3
Snow, what you get and snow you said.
01:39:19:22 - 01:39:22:02
Speaker 2
Before and there's.
01:39:22:02 - 01:39:23:04
Speaker 3
Supposed to be a stormy day.
01:39:23:04 - 01:39:24:05
Speaker 2
And kind of cold.
01:39:24:05 - 01:39:25:00
Speaker 3
So we sort of.
01:39:25:13 - 01:39:27:14
Speaker 2
Keep it tree lined or.
01:39:28:04 - 01:39:29:18
Speaker 3
Go find some skiing somewhere.
01:39:29:18 - 01:39:32:11
Speaker 2
And made her way up. We drove up.
01:39:32:11 - 01:39:32:22
Speaker 3
The nation's.
01:39:32:22 - 01:39:40:11
Speaker 2
Parkway and that is January 10th of 2020 and made her way.
01:39:40:11 - 01:39:41:11
Speaker 3
Up to this one ridge.
01:39:41:11 - 01:39:42:13
Speaker 2
And got up there.
01:39:42:13 - 01:39:48:18
Speaker 3
And we did a little stick out like we were seeing the snow. So we decided change aspects and drop down to this valley.
01:39:48:18 - 01:39:49:00
Speaker 2
And.
01:39:49:05 - 01:39:49:12
Speaker 3
Sort of.
01:39:49:12 - 01:39:50:15
Speaker 2
Worked up a.
01:39:50:15 - 01:40:01:06
Speaker 3
Little treed ridge. And there's a series of shoots off the ridge. And so we see the first one and the steam is really fun and sort of lapping it and sort of sort of making.
01:40:01:06 - 01:40:01:19
Speaker 2
Our way.
01:40:03:00 - 01:40:05:02
Speaker 3
North that gets across across this region.
01:40:05:22 - 01:40:07:20
Speaker 2
And, you know.
01:40:08:15 - 01:40:14:02
Speaker 3
They were starting to generate some sort of short, short, short days.
01:40:14:10 - 01:40:17:12
Speaker 2
And it was quite cold and it was.
01:40:17:12 - 01:40:17:22
Speaker 3
Getting kind.
01:40:17:22 - 01:40:18:11
Speaker 2
Of windy and.
01:40:18:11 - 01:40:21:00
Speaker 3
Cabinet to go pick his daughter from school. And so decided.
01:40:21:11 - 01:40:22:10
Speaker 2
We're going to, you know.
01:40:23:01 - 01:40:23:14
Speaker 3
Have a last.
01:40:23:14 - 01:40:31:07
Speaker 2
Run and we identified a little tree triangle that we were going to meet up at.
01:40:31:16 - 01:40:32:05
Speaker 3
The base of the.
01:40:32:05 - 01:40:36:02
Speaker 2
Rhine. And it's maybe a maybe a 300 meter 400 meter.
01:40:36:02 - 01:40:37:03
Speaker 3
Run, so like a decent.
01:40:37:03 - 01:40:42:13
Speaker 2
Length run. And, you know, we gave Laura.
01:40:42:13 - 01:40:43:07
Speaker 3
First so.
01:40:43:16 - 01:40:47:04
Speaker 2
Have at it and we to get out of there you had to you.
01:40:47:10 - 01:40:49:08
Speaker 3
Needed a spot in the ski across a little.
01:40:49:08 - 01:40:50:17
Speaker 2
Creek and then get around.
01:40:51:12 - 01:40:52:23
Speaker 3
Under the shoulder strap on.
01:40:53:01 - 01:40:53:10
Speaker 2
And.
01:40:54:12 - 01:40:59:00
Speaker 3
Saw ski the run first and like she had a great time skiing.
01:40:59:07 - 01:40:59:17
Speaker 2
Have.
01:41:00:00 - 01:41:00:17
Speaker 3
Supervised.
01:41:00:20 - 01:41:07:13
Speaker 2
To hear that number letting out a little bit and then Kevin.
01:41:07:20 - 01:41:08:23
Speaker 3
Dropped in next.
01:41:09:05 - 01:41:09:21
Speaker 2
Kevin.
01:41:10:01 - 01:41:14:06
Speaker 3
Is a beautiful skier it was a guy on the three rival to.
01:41:14:06 - 01:41:14:20
Speaker 2
Her for that.
01:41:14:20 - 01:41:17:14
Speaker 3
And so I moved forward to watch Kevin Ski.
01:41:18:06 - 01:41:18:18
Speaker 2
And.
01:41:18:23 - 01:41:19:15
Speaker 3
The second in.
01:41:19:16 - 01:41:20:09
Speaker 2
Forward.
01:41:22:05 - 01:41:27:07
Speaker 3
Kevin was ripping and second move forward. The entire slope.
01:41:27:07 - 01:41:33:16
Speaker 2
That we were on just cracked. It was feet and the the ball.
01:41:34:06 - 01:41:34:12
Speaker 3
Was.
01:41:34:12 - 01:41:35:04
Speaker 2
Maybe.
01:41:35:23 - 01:41:40:04
Speaker 3
80 meters across in the fracture line, ripped across the entire thing.
01:41:40:04 - 01:41:41:02
Speaker 2
And where I.
01:41:41:02 - 01:41:41:17
Speaker 3
Was, it was.
01:41:42:01 - 01:41:44:02
Speaker 2
Maybe, you know, a meter.
01:41:44:05 - 01:41:44:13
Speaker 3
And.
01:41:46:01 - 01:41:46:08
Speaker 2
Then.
01:41:46:17 - 01:41:57:18
Speaker 3
A cross. And I started to go in with the slide the snow to collapse my feet and myself, a restaurant and a ski poles. And I sit there and I watched this huge.
01:41:57:18 - 01:42:00:05
Speaker 2
Powder cloud rip down the mountain.
01:42:00:15 - 01:42:02:18
Speaker 3
They start yelling Avalanche as loud as I could.
01:42:03:04 - 01:42:10:11
Speaker 2
But I knew that, you know, Kevin, the more of enemy but yelling avalanche and second.
01:42:10:11 - 01:42:11:04
Speaker 3
We see the snow.
01:42:11:04 - 01:42:13:18
Speaker 2
Settle. I quickly get.
01:42:13:18 - 01:42:18:11
Speaker 3
Up and I ski across the debris over on to the next sort of rib. So I wouldn't trigger.
01:42:18:11 - 01:42:19:09
Speaker 2
Any fire.
01:42:20:08 - 01:42:28:21
Speaker 3
And a ski down as quickly as I can. And I see Kevin only cause a big slide. And I was like, You see Laura, guys are going the trees.
01:42:29:02 - 01:42:34:13
Speaker 2
Just start yelling your name. Start yelling, Laura, Laura. And we don't get a response.
01:42:34:13 - 01:42:35:05
Speaker 3
And so we.
01:42:35:05 - 01:42:36:11
Speaker 2
Quickly put our.
01:42:36:12 - 01:42:38:00
Speaker 3
Beacons search mode.
01:42:39:01 - 01:42:39:16
Speaker 2
And.
01:42:40:01 - 01:42:41:16
Speaker 3
We start getting drawn into this.
01:42:41:16 - 01:42:44:15
Speaker 2
Creek bed. And, you know.
01:42:44:20 - 01:42:45:19
Speaker 3
Kevin starts.
01:42:45:19 - 01:42:48:00
Speaker 2
Reading and I pull up.
01:42:48:08 - 01:42:49:03
Speaker 3
My shovel.
01:42:50:09 - 01:42:58:11
Speaker 2
Probe and, you know, I deploy the ridge that I had in my pack and in the range regarding our.
01:42:58:21 - 01:43:05:22
Speaker 3
You know, 15 meters, 12 meters. And the lowest rating we got was four meters.
01:43:05:22 - 01:43:06:11
Speaker 2
A really.
01:43:06:11 - 01:43:08:15
Speaker 3
Complex search in this creek.
01:43:08:15 - 01:43:11:00
Speaker 2
Bed with a lot of debris on it.
01:43:11:00 - 01:43:21:15
Speaker 3
And broken trees is a really big slide and instantly know it. It's a really bad situation.
01:43:21:15 - 01:43:22:20
Speaker 2
And, you know, because.
01:43:22:21 - 01:43:30:13
Speaker 3
It was four meters, we could get a probe straight. So we to clear a bunch of had to clear a bunch of snow. Finally we got a probe strike and we start.
01:43:30:14 - 01:43:32:18
Speaker 2
Tunneling in and due to the.
01:43:32:18 - 01:43:37:21
Speaker 3
Angle of the slope. And so everything was we had to start tunneling about ten meters back.
01:43:39:20 - 01:43:41:12
Speaker 2
So Kevin and I dug for about.
01:43:42:00 - 01:43:43:03
Speaker 3
45 minutes.
01:43:43:23 - 01:43:45:14
Speaker 2
And I was just doing everything I.
01:43:45:14 - 01:43:46:20
Speaker 3
Could to not lose my shirt.
01:43:48:00 - 01:43:49:14
Speaker 2
They know that after the.
01:43:49:14 - 01:43:52:12
Speaker 3
First ten or 15 minutes, the odds of survival.
01:43:52:12 - 01:43:52:19
Speaker 2
Are.
01:43:53:09 - 01:43:54:08
Speaker 3
Almost nothing.
01:43:55:12 - 01:43:56:07
Speaker 2
Not impossible?
01:43:56:07 - 01:43:56:14
Speaker 3
No.
01:43:57:02 - 01:44:10:15
Speaker 2
But not I. And we finally get to Laura. We get to her face and her hands and her bodies.
01:44:12:05 - 01:44:15:09
Speaker 3
And so Kevin clears her airway. So she's.
01:44:15:09 - 01:44:17:17
Speaker 2
Still in snow and he.
01:44:17:17 - 01:44:18:05
Speaker 3
Clears your.
01:44:18:05 - 01:44:19:20
Speaker 2
Airway and.
01:44:20:06 - 01:44:21:02
Speaker 3
Says, if you can.
01:44:21:09 - 01:44:24:11
Speaker 2
I feels around enlightenment.
01:44:24:20 - 01:44:28:21
Speaker 3
You could feel a pulse, but he couldn't. And so.
01:44:29:15 - 01:44:33:01
Speaker 2
At that point I deploy the and reach again in Kevin.
01:44:34:04 - 01:44:40:05
Speaker 3
You know messages on the end reach to say guy this is a very serious incident you.
01:44:40:05 - 01:44:44:14
Speaker 2
Need help now and.
01:44:45:10 - 01:44:47:14
Speaker 3
Took us another 45 minutes to fully get.
01:44:47:14 - 01:44:51:00
Speaker 2
Laura out and then in order to get her out.
01:44:51:00 - 01:44:52:13
Speaker 3
It was up the slope.
01:44:53:06 - 01:44:57:23
Speaker 2
Like dragged her up my body. You know, she's my body's like pull her up.
01:44:57:23 - 01:44:59:13
Speaker 3
Because we have to get her out of this ramp.
01:44:59:17 - 01:45:02:20
Speaker 2
And when we finally got her.
01:45:03:09 - 01:45:03:21
Speaker 3
She was.
01:45:04:01 - 01:45:05:02
Speaker 2
Blue and not.
01:45:05:02 - 01:45:08:14
Speaker 3
Conscious. It was just like.
01:45:08:14 - 01:45:12:22
Speaker 2
Really cold and, you know, pull out every bit of.
01:45:12:22 - 01:45:13:17
Speaker 3
Warm clothes that we.
01:45:13:17 - 01:45:15:01
Speaker 2
Have and.
01:45:15:05 - 01:45:18:05
Speaker 3
Space blankets and I just sit there.
01:45:18:20 - 01:45:21:00
Speaker 2
Stroking, telling her I love her and.
01:45:22:15 - 01:45:25:20
Speaker 3
You know.
01:45:25:20 - 01:45:26:18
Speaker 2
Just trying to be.
01:45:26:18 - 01:45:28:11
Speaker 3
With her and trying to keep a calm.
01:45:29:14 - 01:45:32:02
Speaker 2
Turkey for a warm. And then.
01:45:32:09 - 01:45:33:04
Speaker 3
The search and rescue.
01:45:33:04 - 01:45:34:03
Speaker 2
Crew came and.
01:45:34:05 - 01:45:38:02
Speaker 3
That was incredibly hard because I knew the rescuers so.
01:45:38:10 - 01:45:38:19
Speaker 2
The.
01:45:40:00 - 01:45:41:05
Speaker 3
Search and rescue crew.
01:45:41:05 - 01:45:42:05
Speaker 2
Long line in and.
01:45:42:16 - 01:45:44:18
Speaker 3
Just see the look on their faces they saw.
01:45:45:11 - 01:45:48:03
Speaker 2
Who you know you are people.
01:45:48:03 - 01:45:48:11
Speaker 3
Do.
01:45:48:11 - 01:45:50:16
Speaker 2
And you know they you know.
01:45:51:15 - 01:45:52:05
Speaker 3
Things are.
01:45:53:02 - 01:45:53:13
Speaker 2
Hard.
01:45:53:21 - 01:45:54:23
Speaker 3
The strangers even.
01:45:54:23 - 01:45:57:20
Speaker 2
Harder. The people, you know, they then you.
01:45:57:20 - 01:46:01:07
Speaker 3
Know, they obviously recognize it was a very bad situation.
01:46:01:07 - 01:46:02:08
Speaker 2
When they heard how.
01:46:02:08 - 01:46:02:17
Speaker 3
Long she.
01:46:02:20 - 01:46:03:04
Speaker 2
There.
01:46:03:12 - 01:46:06:04
Speaker 3
The state of her so they helicoptered.
01:46:06:04 - 01:46:10:00
Speaker 2
Laura out and then came back and helicoptered me and Kevin out.
01:46:10:00 - 01:46:12:09
Speaker 3
And I just I just lost it.
01:46:13:08 - 01:46:13:19
Speaker 2
Fully.
01:46:13:19 - 01:46:14:07
Speaker 3
Collapsed.
01:46:14:07 - 01:46:16:16
Speaker 2
Into a heap under the helicopter.
01:46:17:11 - 01:46:18:11
Speaker 3
And they dropped it down on.
01:46:18:11 - 01:46:19:08
Speaker 2
The highway that they.
01:46:19:08 - 01:46:19:19
Speaker 3
Closed the.
01:46:19:19 - 01:46:21:21
Speaker 2
Highway and there was.
01:46:22:01 - 01:46:25:18
Speaker 3
Ambulances there. And RCMP.
01:46:28:00 - 01:46:30:10
Speaker 2
And the ambulance.
01:46:30:10 - 01:46:33:16
Speaker 3
Took off and the RCMP took us to the police detachment.
01:46:34:02 - 01:46:34:08
Speaker 2
And.
01:46:36:00 - 01:46:37:01
Speaker 3
At the police detachment.
01:46:37:01 - 01:46:38:11
Speaker 2
They told me that they'd taken.
01:46:38:11 - 01:46:41:05
Speaker 3
Laura to Foothills Hospital.
01:46:41:05 - 01:46:43:21
Speaker 2
And in Calgary.
01:46:43:21 - 01:46:44:12
Speaker 3
Which is.
01:46:45:23 - 01:46:47:06
Speaker 2
Now hour and a half.
01:46:47:06 - 01:46:53:21
Speaker 3
Away or so, 2 hours. So I messaged a friend, Andy, the same doctor.
01:46:53:21 - 01:46:54:05
Speaker 2
Who.
01:46:54:23 - 01:46:56:07
Speaker 3
Diagnosed my foot.
01:46:57:00 - 01:47:05:15
Speaker 2
And told them what had happened and asked if you could drive me to the hospital. And on the ride in I had to call. I called.
01:47:05:15 - 01:47:06:11
Speaker 3
Moore's brother.
01:47:06:11 - 01:47:09:19
Speaker 2
To let him know what had happened, and that maybe one of the.
01:47:09:19 - 01:47:10:18
Speaker 3
Worst things I've ever had to.
01:47:10:18 - 01:47:16:15
Speaker 2
Do at home that I didn't know if it.
01:47:16:15 - 01:47:21:12
Speaker 3
Was a lie or not, but she was in a very serious accident to come out as quickly as possible.
01:47:22:23 - 01:47:30:00
Speaker 2
And we finally got to the hospital for the the the the.
01:47:30:00 - 01:47:36:02
Speaker 3
Doctor in charge there, the resident.
01:47:36:02 - 01:47:39:00
Speaker 2
You know, told me that, you know, the.
01:47:39:00 - 01:47:40:16
Speaker 3
Town of St Paul's, Laura.
01:47:41:11 - 01:47:41:17
Speaker 2
That.
01:47:41:23 - 01:47:43:08
Speaker 3
You know, she was obviously very.
01:47:43:08 - 01:47:45:04
Speaker 2
Hypothermic and they were warming her.
01:47:46:03 - 01:47:54:00
Speaker 3
They didn't know if she had brain activity or not. And she had quite serious internal damage.
01:47:54:00 - 01:47:55:14
Speaker 2
And then later on that night, they.
01:47:55:14 - 01:47:57:00
Speaker 3
Came up and told us.
01:47:57:09 - 01:47:58:20
Speaker 2
Her bowels.
01:47:58:20 - 01:48:00:01
Speaker 3
Had died essentially.
01:48:00:01 - 01:48:00:19
Speaker 2
And that that.
01:48:01:04 - 01:48:02:06
Speaker 3
This in their turn was.
01:48:02:06 - 01:48:03:10
Speaker 2
Incompatible with.
01:48:03:10 - 01:48:10:15
Speaker 3
Life. And so they were going to have to start lifesaving procedures on her.
01:48:10:15 - 01:48:11:05
Speaker 2
And then.
01:48:11:10 - 01:48:13:08
Speaker 3
Sort of over the course of the next.
01:48:14:16 - 01:48:15:08
Speaker 2
12.
01:48:15:14 - 01:48:16:12
Speaker 3
Plus hours.
01:48:17:08 - 01:48:20:06
Speaker 2
Unlawfully died.
01:48:20:06 - 01:48:21:08
Speaker 3
And we sat with her.
01:48:21:22 - 01:48:25:02
Speaker 2
Well, comforted her. And, you know.
01:48:25:02 - 01:48:27:15
Speaker 3
Friends of hers are hearing what's.
01:48:27:15 - 01:48:38:07
Speaker 2
Happening. And they all came out and the Lord ultimately, you know, died with love and dignity.
01:48:38:21 - 01:48:43:15
Speaker 3
Um you know, just a horrible.
01:48:43:22 - 01:48:44:17
Speaker 2
Horrible thing.
01:48:44:17 - 01:48:48:21
Speaker 3
But, you know, as I said earlier, you.
01:48:48:21 - 01:48:49:20
Speaker 2
Know, I had the.
01:48:50:14 - 01:48:52:05
Speaker 3
You know, the best possible outcome.
01:48:52:05 - 01:48:53:10
Speaker 2
From a horrible.
01:48:53:10 - 01:48:56:08
Speaker 3
Situation. She had the worst possible outcome.
01:48:56:08 - 01:48:57:20
Speaker 2
From a bad.
01:48:57:20 - 01:49:02:06
Speaker 3
Situation. It was it's just something that doesn't really make.
01:49:02:23 - 01:49:03:11
Speaker 2
You know.
01:49:03:22 - 01:49:10:13
Speaker 3
A lot of sense. Something really wrestle with is the fact that.
01:49:10:13 - 01:49:11:02
Speaker 2
You know.
01:49:11:02 - 01:49:18:20
Speaker 3
I was doing something objectively dangerous. And Roger's boss, you know, we were back country skiing and a considerable hazard which which is dangerous that.
01:49:19:03 - 01:49:20:11
Speaker 2
We were, you know, like.
01:49:20:12 - 01:49:21:23
Speaker 3
Mitigating risks as best as we.
01:49:21:23 - 01:49:22:13
Speaker 2
Could.
01:49:23:06 - 01:49:23:17
Speaker 3
Basically.
01:49:24:15 - 01:49:24:22
Speaker 2
You know.
01:49:25:04 - 01:49:28:13
Speaker 3
More or less to just having.
01:49:28:19 - 01:49:33:02
Speaker 2
Fun or trying to do anything narrowly or.
01:49:33:02 - 01:49:33:16
Speaker 3
Cutting edge.
01:49:33:16 - 01:49:37:00
Speaker 2
And she died during that.
01:49:37:00 - 01:49:38:13
Speaker 3
And that's really hard to reconcile.
01:49:40:00 - 01:49:41:12
Speaker 2
And I you.
01:49:41:12 - 01:49:42:14
Speaker 3
Know, since I.
01:49:42:14 - 01:49:46:20
Speaker 2
Had to deal with the fact that, you know, I.
01:49:46:20 - 01:49:52:09
Speaker 3
I triggered the avalanche, whether or not they caused the avalanche that, you know, that's impossible to.
01:49:52:09 - 01:49:54:14
Speaker 2
Know. But like I treated it in.
01:49:54:15 - 01:49:56:01
Speaker 3
Subsequent wasn't able to save.
01:49:56:01 - 01:49:56:16
Speaker 2
One.
01:49:57:06 - 01:49:57:20
Speaker 3
That's a really.
01:49:57:20 - 01:50:04:14
Speaker 2
Fucked up thing to have to live with.
01:50:04:14 - 01:50:26:22
Speaker 1
Do you rationalize that like triggering the avalanche is not your fault, but like, don't in any way believe that? You know, like there's lots of things that I've had in my life not that I'm comparing even remotely to this, where I can easily rationalize. I'm like this logically, like, is it my fault or is this but like internally actually, like believing it and dealing with it is a totally different thing if that.
01:50:26:22 - 01:50:27:18
Speaker 1
Does that make sense?
01:50:29:07 - 01:50:32:08
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. No, I mean, I you know, I have.
01:50:32:08 - 01:50:33:17
Speaker 3
Lots of like.
01:50:33:17 - 01:50:34:05
Speaker 2
Um, like.
01:50:34:07 - 01:50:36:09
Speaker 3
Avalanche experts to explain.
01:50:36:09 - 01:50:38:00
Speaker 2
To me how it wasn't.
01:50:38:00 - 01:50:38:13
Speaker 3
Necessarily.
01:50:38:13 - 01:50:39:02
Speaker 2
Me that.
01:50:39:16 - 01:50:42:02
Speaker 3
Caused the avalanche per se.
01:50:42:06 - 01:50:43:07
Speaker 2
You know, were all.
01:50:43:21 - 01:50:44:17
Speaker 3
Three of us around.
01:50:44:17 - 01:50:46:17
Speaker 2
There, you know, like willingly.
01:50:46:17 - 01:50:47:10
Speaker 3
Together.
01:50:48:18 - 01:50:50:08
Speaker 2
But no, I mean, I, you know, I'm.
01:50:50:08 - 01:50:55:08
Speaker 3
Also you know, we also made mistakes skiing and I sort of wiser day.
01:50:56:04 - 01:50:57:10
Speaker 2
You know, I may have stayed.
01:50:57:10 - 01:51:05:00
Speaker 3
On the like a convexity or something. The thing is, though, also it also just never. No, and it doesn't.
01:51:05:00 - 01:51:08:12
Speaker 2
Really ultimately matter. But it does.
01:51:08:12 - 01:51:08:21
Speaker 3
Mean that.
01:51:08:21 - 01:51:10:07
Speaker 2
I like really, really.
01:51:10:07 - 01:51:12:16
Speaker 3
Question my judgment.
01:51:13:11 - 01:51:14:20
Speaker 2
You know, the fact that it had.
01:51:15:12 - 01:51:18:17
Speaker 3
Two serious mountain accidents really makes me question.
01:51:19:04 - 01:51:20:01
Speaker 2
Whether or not I'm.
01:51:20:05 - 01:51:26:03
Speaker 3
This, like, reckless or hazardous surfing or something.
01:51:26:03 - 01:51:26:23
Speaker 2
I really.
01:51:26:23 - 01:51:27:09
Speaker 3
Wrestle.
01:51:27:09 - 01:51:32:17
Speaker 2
With it. I talk to my friends about it and, you know, mount.
01:51:32:17 - 01:51:33:06
Speaker 3
Partners and.
01:51:33:07 - 01:51:36:07
Speaker 2
Like they don't show me a.
01:51:36:07 - 01:51:41:06
Speaker 3
Lot that, like, it's hard to, you know, it just so happens that, you know, I spend a lot of time.
01:51:41:06 - 01:51:41:10
Speaker 2
And.
01:51:42:01 - 01:51:44:17
Speaker 3
Consequential terrain and unfortunately I've had.
01:51:46:02 - 01:51:46:11
Speaker 2
Bad.
01:51:46:11 - 01:51:47:04
Speaker 3
Outcomes.
01:51:47:17 - 01:51:48:23
Speaker 2
From it. Um.
01:51:49:12 - 01:51:50:13
Speaker 3
And strangely enough.
01:51:50:13 - 01:51:51:13
Speaker 2
Though.
01:51:51:13 - 01:51:52:04
Speaker 3
I still go.
01:51:52:04 - 01:51:52:14
Speaker 2
Back.
01:51:53:16 - 01:51:57:04
Speaker 3
And I still find.
01:51:57:04 - 01:51:58:19
Speaker 2
You know, pleasure in the.
01:51:58:19 - 01:52:04:21
Speaker 3
Mountains and joy in the mountains, you know, I am grateful for that, but I'm also.
01:52:05:05 - 01:52:06:17
Speaker 2
Conflicted by it a lot.
01:52:06:17 - 01:52:17:07
Speaker 1
Is it cathartic to, to to share the story or is it something that is like a chore that you've you've probably been asked to do so many times now?
01:52:17:07 - 01:52:19:19
Speaker 2
Well, I mean, I, I also have the.
01:52:19:20 - 01:52:20:13
Speaker 3
Choice to say.
01:52:20:13 - 01:52:20:22
Speaker 2
No.
01:52:22:17 - 01:52:26:03
Speaker 3
You know, so it does it does help.
01:52:26:03 - 01:52:29:18
Speaker 2
Me, you know.
01:52:29:23 - 01:52:30:14
Speaker 3
Going back to.
01:52:30:14 - 01:52:35:07
Speaker 2
That, like, you know, trying to find meaning from.
01:52:35:07 - 01:52:38:06
Speaker 3
These horrible experiences.
01:52:38:06 - 01:52:39:22
Speaker 2
Nothing will ever bring her back.
01:52:41:09 - 01:52:42:08
Speaker 3
As much as I wish.
01:52:42:13 - 01:52:46:07
Speaker 2
I'd never did anything to bring her back.
01:52:46:07 - 01:52:49:15
Speaker 3
It can't. And so I guess, you know, sort.
01:52:49:15 - 01:52:53:19
Speaker 2
Of the the gift I've been burdened.
01:52:53:19 - 01:52:55:09
Speaker 3
With is the gift of my story.
01:52:56:03 - 01:52:56:06
Speaker 2
At.
01:52:56:06 - 01:53:03:17
Speaker 3
This point. And if I can touch somebody else or help somebody else who's sort of dealing with.
01:53:03:17 - 01:53:06:02
Speaker 2
Trauma, grief or.
01:53:06:02 - 01:53:06:23
Speaker 3
Loss.
01:53:07:16 - 01:53:10:11
Speaker 2
Or, you know, make people more.
01:53:10:11 - 01:53:13:17
Speaker 3
Cautious as a consequence of avalanches or.
01:53:14:03 - 01:53:14:12
Speaker 2
Mountain.
01:53:14:12 - 01:53:18:05
Speaker 3
Accidents, you know, to to approach.
01:53:18:05 - 01:53:20:03
Speaker 2
Mountains with more humility and.
01:53:21:21 - 01:53:26:19
Speaker 3
To really sort of highlight the dangers of that or never say don't go, because I think they're awesome.
01:53:27:08 - 01:53:28:21
Speaker 2
But really, you know.
01:53:29:13 - 01:53:30:19
Speaker 3
Really consider.
01:53:31:01 - 01:53:32:10
Speaker 2
Your objective on the day.
01:53:32:21 - 01:53:36:07
Speaker 3
And your choice to do things, whether or not it's really worth.
01:53:36:07 - 01:53:41:20
Speaker 2
It, you know, it's like, can you can you.
01:53:41:20 - 01:53:42:03
Speaker 3
Sit.
01:53:42:03 - 01:53:44:16
Speaker 2
There and tell your partner.
01:53:45:06 - 01:53:45:21
Speaker 3
Ski partner.
01:53:45:21 - 01:53:46:16
Speaker 2
Coffee partner or.
01:53:46:16 - 01:53:48:03
Speaker 3
Romantic partners, parents.
01:53:48:16 - 01:53:49:01
Speaker 2
That.
01:53:49:14 - 01:53:50:06
Speaker 3
The person would have.
01:53:50:06 - 01:53:50:16
Speaker 2
Died.
01:53:51:05 - 01:53:52:09
Speaker 3
Because of recreating.
01:53:52:09 - 01:53:52:19
Speaker 2
That day?
01:53:53:06 - 01:53:54:22
Speaker 3
Because your choice to skyline or.
01:53:54:22 - 01:53:58:17
Speaker 2
Climb a line could you live with that? Can you do that?
01:53:59:05 - 01:53:59:21
Speaker 3
It was something.
01:53:59:21 - 01:54:00:14
Speaker 2
I really hold.
01:54:00:19 - 01:54:04:03
Speaker 3
Closely because it's something I've had to do. It's it's.
01:54:04:05 - 01:54:06:09
Speaker 2
Horrible. And then live.
01:54:06:09 - 01:54:07:06
Speaker 3
With the consequences.
01:54:07:06 - 01:54:09:18
Speaker 2
Of it of.
01:54:09:23 - 01:54:13:18
Speaker 3
Losing those people as well which I have to do on a daily basis.
01:54:14:12 - 01:54:19:00
Speaker 4
Do you still feel her in the mountains or? Do you still feel her?
01:54:19:06 - 01:54:20:02
Speaker 2
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:54:20:02 - 01:54:22:07
Speaker 3
No. Oh, yes. Not just in the mountains.
01:54:22:17 - 01:54:23:14
Speaker 2
You know, like it's.
01:54:24:00 - 01:54:26:20
Speaker 3
Sort of outdoor space. I still have conversations with.
01:54:26:20 - 01:54:27:18
Speaker 2
Her, you.
01:54:28:01 - 01:54:30:23
Speaker 3
Know, she's very much like the guiding light. She, you.
01:54:31:00 - 01:54:33:08
Speaker 2
Know.
01:54:33:08 - 01:54:37:19
Speaker 3
She really was like, well, she's an amazing person.
01:54:39:03 - 01:54:40:00
Speaker 2
You know, it was very.
01:54:40:11 - 01:54:41:14
Speaker 3
Very something to.
01:54:41:14 - 01:54:42:19
Speaker 2
Me. And really.
01:54:42:19 - 01:54:47:01
Speaker 3
Really changed my life. So she she's a huge reason why.
01:54:47:01 - 01:54:48:11
Speaker 2
I opened up again, a.
01:54:48:18 - 01:54:49:20
Speaker 3
Far better person for.
01:54:49:20 - 01:54:51:16
Speaker 2
Having Laura.
01:54:51:16 - 01:54:53:07
Speaker 3
She had so much compassion and.
01:54:53:07 - 01:54:55:00
Speaker 2
Empathy and fun.
01:54:55:00 - 01:54:59:14
Speaker 3
And she also interesting like she was a total bone crusher in the mountains, but just had.
01:54:59:14 - 01:55:01:02
Speaker 2
Very little ego.
01:55:01:14 - 01:55:02:05
Speaker 3
Associated.
01:55:02:05 - 01:55:06:07
Speaker 2
With it. Um, like, I remember being out with her, we're going.
01:55:06:07 - 01:55:07:12
Speaker 3
To go ski something.
01:55:07:12 - 01:55:10:12
Speaker 2
And, you know.
01:55:10:19 - 01:55:16:08
Speaker 3
Really close to the summit. And I was like, I want to attack this. I'm like, No, the good skiing starts here. So why do.
01:55:16:08 - 01:55:18:07
Speaker 2
You why do you stop there? I'm like, well, because.
01:55:18:07 - 01:55:19:07
Speaker 3
The summit is like but.
01:55:19:07 - 01:55:19:17
Speaker 2
Why?
01:55:19:23 - 01:55:21:08
Speaker 3
We're here to ski and this is really good.
01:55:21:08 - 01:55:24:22
Speaker 2
Skiing starts that part up there.
01:55:24:22 - 01:55:28:12
Speaker 3
That's ego. This is like, this is fun. So why don't we just do the fun thing?
01:55:29:02 - 01:55:33:23
Speaker 2
Like, Oh yeah, you could do that. You know, it's just really, really enlightening.
01:55:33:23 - 01:55:35:16
Speaker 3
And so I try to hold those lessons.
01:55:36:05 - 01:55:36:20
Speaker 2
Um.
01:55:37:13 - 01:55:39:02
Speaker 3
Cause, you know, she was a.
01:55:39:02 - 01:55:39:20
Speaker 2
Family doctor.
01:55:39:20 - 01:55:40:05
Speaker 3
As well.
01:55:40:05 - 01:55:41:03
Speaker 2
And, you know.
01:55:41:03 - 01:55:43:05
Speaker 3
Like, it was a really deep service to the.
01:55:43:05 - 01:55:47:19
Speaker 2
Community, you know, in whatever way.
01:55:47:19 - 01:55:50:21
Speaker 3
It sounds cheesy, but I also kind of feel.
01:55:50:21 - 01:55:51:02
Speaker 2
That and.
01:55:51:11 - 01:55:52:04
Speaker 3
You know, to bring her.
01:55:52:04 - 01:55:53:15
Speaker 2
Story of memory alive.
01:55:54:14 - 01:55:56:18
Speaker 3
Where she continues to help people as well.
01:55:57:03 - 01:55:59:16
Speaker 2
And I think that, you know.
01:56:00:02 - 01:56:01:23
Speaker 3
She's something that the world needs to remember.
01:56:02:03 - 01:56:06:15
Speaker 4
Absolutely. So sorry for your loss at home.
01:56:06:15 - 01:56:07:12
Speaker 2
No, thank you.
01:56:07:13 - 01:56:32:10
Speaker 1
But I mean, I think you're doing exactly what you just said, which is like is keeping her alive, you know, in that in that sense of, you know, sharing the story, providing, I don't know, some some kind of educational purpose for people, right? Where it's like I think you pose the question really well. Like, you know, is doing this thing worth having to tell, you know, your loved one's family that, you know, they're they're not coming home?
01:56:33:07 - 01:56:44:15
Speaker 1
And I think that's a really, really powerful message that can impact a lot of people as tragic and as terrible as it is, unfortunately. And I think that will get a lot of people to to think twice about their actions.
01:56:44:15 - 01:56:46:00
Speaker 2
The one thing I do, the one.
01:56:46:00 - 01:56:48:13
Speaker 3
Thing I do wrestle with a little bit as well.
01:56:49:09 - 01:56:50:23
Speaker 2
And I don't have.
01:56:50:23 - 01:56:57:12
Speaker 3
A clear answer for this, but, you know, it's also like the store ification of LA, my accident.
01:56:58:22 - 01:56:59:04
Speaker 2
You know.
01:56:59:06 - 01:57:00:03
Speaker 3
Because a lot of these.
01:57:00:03 - 01:57:00:19
Speaker 2
Things.
01:57:03:03 - 01:57:03:19
Speaker 3
Conscious of.
01:57:03:19 - 01:57:06:10
Speaker 2
It, you know.
01:57:06:10 - 01:57:11:18
Speaker 3
I don't actually remember everything that happens. And I do tell the story a lot.
01:57:12:20 - 01:57:16:21
Speaker 2
And, you know, I worry that what I'm.
01:57:16:21 - 01:57:21:00
Speaker 3
Doing just turns it all into a story because it's not like it's like.
01:57:21:07 - 01:57:21:18
Speaker 2
People.
01:57:22:08 - 01:57:22:17
Speaker 3
Suddenly.
01:57:23:06 - 01:57:26:18
Speaker 2
Died. A lot of people really deeply hurt.
01:57:27:12 - 01:57:42:17
Speaker 3
Family lost daughter or sister. Our she lost colleagues and so and also really, really conscious of not just try to not just tell a story. And it really is to.
01:57:43:21 - 01:57:44:20
Speaker 2
Keep a memory.
01:57:45:17 - 01:57:46:08
Speaker 3
Alive.
01:57:46:08 - 01:57:48:22
Speaker 2
Somebody in a way.
01:57:48:22 - 01:57:50:05
Speaker 3
That makes sense. Much of it.
01:57:50:05 - 01:57:52:20
Speaker 1
Absolutely. Yeah. No, I hear what you're saying.
01:57:54:08 - 01:58:07:02
Speaker 4
So I remember you talking a little bit about a foundation or a group called the Mountain Mascots. Was this incident the really the catalyst, the development of that group?
01:58:07:08 - 01:58:13:14
Speaker 3
I'm sorry. It wasn't necessarily this incident, but this incident was a it was a catalyst, along with a few other incidents in the.
01:58:13:18 - 01:58:14:07
Speaker 2
Valley.
01:58:16:23 - 01:58:17:23
Speaker 3
Valleys area around.
01:58:17:23 - 01:58:19:12
Speaker 2
Canmore there.
01:58:20:06 - 01:58:24:21
Speaker 3
And a group called Mountain Rescue and. So it's for people.
01:58:24:21 - 01:58:25:21
Speaker 2
Who've lost.
01:58:27:02 - 01:58:32:10
Speaker 3
Their or suffered loss in the mountains. It's basically trauma loss. So service understanding.
01:58:32:10 - 01:58:36:04
Speaker 2
That, you know, these these mountain towns.
01:58:37:21 - 01:58:40:13
Speaker 3
Nuts, mountain sports know they are dangerous.
01:58:41:17 - 01:58:44:21
Speaker 2
And people who recreate in the mountains.
01:58:44:21 - 01:58:45:08
Speaker 3
Know.
01:58:46:01 - 01:58:46:18
Speaker 2
Or know.
01:58:46:18 - 01:58:47:14
Speaker 3
Of a shocking number of.
01:58:47:14 - 01:58:48:13
Speaker 2
People who died.
01:58:48:16 - 01:58:53:15
Speaker 3
In these pursuits or suffer severe, very serious trauma in them.
01:58:53:16 - 01:58:55:10
Speaker 2
And that's like what many.
01:58:55:10 - 01:58:56:21
Speaker 3
Other recreational activities have.
01:58:56:21 - 01:58:57:21
Speaker 2
That level of.
01:58:58:06 - 01:59:04:05
Speaker 3
Trauma associated with it. So while these all these places give us a lot, you know, there's a lot of life force and.
01:59:05:03 - 01:59:05:18
Speaker 2
A lot of really.
01:59:05:18 - 01:59:07:10
Speaker 3
Positive life experiences.
01:59:08:07 - 01:59:09:16
Speaker 2
The CALLER Yeah.
01:59:10:00 - 01:59:11:12
Speaker 3
That the option of that is that.
01:59:11:19 - 01:59:12:14
Speaker 2
You know.
01:59:12:14 - 01:59:13:18
Speaker 3
There's also a lot of trauma.
01:59:13:18 - 01:59:14:05
Speaker 2
In them.
01:59:14:15 - 01:59:16:15
Speaker 3
And for a long time that trauma wasn't.
01:59:16:15 - 01:59:18:00
Speaker 2
Really acknowledged.
01:59:18:00 - 01:59:18:09
Speaker 3
Or talked.
01:59:18:09 - 01:59:18:16
Speaker 2
About.
01:59:19:18 - 01:59:20:19
Speaker 3
In fact, you know, the.
01:59:20:19 - 01:59:21:07
Speaker 2
Only way to.
01:59:21:19 - 01:59:23:02
Speaker 3
Go back into the mountains.
01:59:24:03 - 01:59:24:08
Speaker 2
And.
01:59:24:10 - 01:59:25:12
Speaker 3
Fortunately we sort of.
01:59:25:12 - 01:59:29:04
Speaker 2
Changed a little bit that.
01:59:29:04 - 01:59:30:13
Speaker 3
In there starting to recognize.
01:59:30:23 - 01:59:32:06
Speaker 2
The trauma. A lot of.
01:59:32:13 - 01:59:35:03
Speaker 3
These rescuers, mountain guides.
01:59:36:01 - 01:59:36:14
Speaker 2
You know, people who.
01:59:36:14 - 01:59:43:09
Speaker 3
Were mountain towns had suffered. And so this mountain group was was created to help support.
01:59:43:15 - 01:59:44:01
Speaker 2
People.
01:59:45:00 - 01:59:53:11
Speaker 3
Who've gone through similar incidents. And yeah, so there's a you know, I was part of the first cohort of it.
01:59:54:13 - 01:59:55:04
Speaker 2
And.
01:59:55:11 - 01:59:56:09
Speaker 3
It started by.
01:59:57:06 - 01:59:57:15
Speaker 2
Very.
01:59:57:15 - 02:00:06:18
Speaker 3
Blanchard, who's a very famous Canadian Alpinist zero one again, who's a famous ice climber.
02:00:07:08 - 02:00:09:06
Speaker 2
And mountain guide. And then.
02:00:09:06 - 02:00:11:17
Speaker 3
Kevin Purchase, who was with us when the.
02:00:12:18 - 02:00:13:16
Speaker 2
Avalanche killed more.
02:00:15:00 - 02:00:21:18
Speaker 3
Ski guides. So they were the main founders of the group, and there was a facilitator and a therapist that comes to these.
02:00:22:04 - 02:00:22:09
Speaker 2
Group.
02:00:22:10 - 02:00:22:23
Speaker 3
Meetings.
02:00:22:23 - 02:00:26:04
Speaker 2
And it has been it's been really powerful.
02:00:27:02 - 02:00:27:18
Speaker 3
There's a.
02:00:29:02 - 02:00:29:13
Speaker 2
There's a.
02:00:30:05 - 02:00:30:15
Speaker 3
Strong.
02:00:30:15 - 02:00:32:00
Speaker 2
Healing power in coming in.
02:00:33:01 - 02:00:36:14
Speaker 3
Sharing life experiences. And and I think also for.
02:00:36:18 - 02:00:37:17
Speaker 2
The three of them.
02:00:38:02 - 02:00:40:08
Speaker 3
Who also suffered.
02:00:40:08 - 02:00:40:23
Speaker 2
You know, their.
02:00:40:23 - 02:00:43:23
Speaker 3
Own loss and trauma.
02:00:43:23 - 02:00:44:06
Speaker 2
You know.
02:00:45:10 - 02:00:46:13
Speaker 3
In the sense it was.
02:00:46:13 - 02:00:49:18
Speaker 2
Really, really hard to get them.
02:00:49:18 - 02:00:52:15
Speaker 3
You know, it was literally use out recreating. It wasn't working that day.
02:00:53:07 - 02:00:59:20
Speaker 2
And I think that that really, really, really played with them quite a lot. And They didn't.
02:00:59:21 - 02:01:13:19
Speaker 3
Question his judgment as well. And it was also a very public incident, which also sort of adds an extra layer to it all. But no, I think it's been cathartic.
02:01:13:19 - 02:01:14:04
Speaker 2
For them.
02:01:14:04 - 02:01:17:18
Speaker 3
Because as perhaps you with this podcast.
02:01:19:03 - 02:01:20:19
Speaker 2
You know, try to make meaning of of you.
02:01:20:20 - 02:01:21:22
Speaker 3
Of your various injuries.
02:01:22:04 - 02:01:23:15
Speaker 2
You know, one thing that we can do, it.
02:01:23:17 - 02:01:24:06
Speaker 3
Does seem.
02:01:24:06 - 02:01:26:02
Speaker 2
To help in there in.
02:01:26:07 - 02:01:29:07
Speaker 3
Sharing my experiences is.
02:01:30:12 - 02:01:30:19
Speaker 2
Being able.
02:01:30:19 - 02:01:31:14
Speaker 3
To help others.
02:01:32:11 - 02:01:32:18
Speaker 2
You know.
02:01:33:04 - 02:01:33:22
Speaker 3
To giving.
02:01:33:22 - 02:01:34:06
Speaker 2
Giving.
02:01:34:06 - 02:01:43:10
Speaker 3
Back in some way and trying to make a positive out of the worst possible situations. It does does give us some meaning and purpose in life.
02:01:44:02 - 02:01:44:10
Speaker 2
You know.
02:01:45:04 - 02:01:48:14
Speaker 3
Life is richer, meaning in it. And if you can.
02:01:48:14 - 02:01:49:05
Speaker 2
Make meaning.
02:01:49:05 - 02:01:55:16
Speaker 3
Out of a bad situation. And so that's, you know, once again, those are the cards. You don't start applying the best possible.
02:01:55:16 - 02:01:57:13
Speaker 2
Work like the horrible hand that your dealt.
02:01:58:07 - 02:02:00:00
Speaker 3
Is the only way forward.
02:02:00:00 - 02:02:00:13
Speaker 2
You know, and I.
02:02:00:13 - 02:02:03:21
Speaker 3
Kind of joke that, you know, it's, you know, it's a call, but none of us want to be part of that.
02:02:03:21 - 02:02:07:22
Speaker 2
We're all we all are. So let's, let's make the most of it.
02:02:08:07 - 02:02:10:18
Speaker 4
So, yeah, it's no turning back.
02:02:12:11 - 02:02:12:18
Speaker 2
No.
02:02:12:19 - 02:02:15:01
Speaker 3
And unfortunately there isn't. Yeah. So.
02:02:16:05 - 02:02:19:17
Speaker 4
Yeah, it's a hard pill to swallow sometimes.
02:02:19:17 - 02:02:36:16
Speaker 1
Yeah. This is actually really a little off topic, but do you know how Barry is doing? He had a fault, and he. He hit a fall. He hit his head. What? Yeah, with that, I'm just. I'm a big fan of Barry's. I don't know him obviously personally at all, but I've read his biography and everything. So I'm I'm just really curious.
02:02:36:22 - 02:02:47:17
Speaker 3
I know is his book is one of the best male books ever written? It's awesome. And any time you get a chance to hear Barry tell the story, it's it's a great one. Yeah, actually. Sorry, I just.
02:02:47:17 - 02:02:48:21
Speaker 2
I will I will get I.
02:02:48:21 - 02:02:51:12
Speaker 3
Will answer your question. I wanted to tell a quick little Barry story.
02:02:51:21 - 02:02:56:09
Speaker 2
I was out I was out skiing with Laura one day in the.
02:02:56:09 - 02:02:57:14
Speaker 3
Backcountry and.
02:02:58:06 - 02:02:59:10
Speaker 2
I broke a pole and.
02:02:59:10 - 02:03:00:23
Speaker 3
It was this really sweet powder.
02:03:00:23 - 02:03:02:16
Speaker 2
Day. And we really wanted to keep, like.
02:03:02:23 - 02:03:03:21
Speaker 3
Swinging laps.
02:03:03:21 - 02:03:08:20
Speaker 2
And so I had taken a twig and had, like.
02:03:09:05 - 02:03:17:18
Speaker 3
Use my ski straps, like brace my pole together so that I could still have it pulled askew. Alice's like branch coming off this thing, and all of a sudden.
02:03:17:22 - 02:03:19:08
Speaker 2
You come around the corner and.
02:03:19:08 - 02:03:20:06
Speaker 3
There just like.
02:03:21:01 - 02:03:24:11
Speaker 2
Oh, Adam, you seem to have broken a pull. It it was like, oh, my.
02:03:24:11 - 02:03:25:09
Speaker 3
God, all this like.
02:03:25:09 - 02:03:29:12
Speaker 2
This, like there is like gold, like, you know, like silver locks.
02:03:29:15 - 02:03:30:12
Speaker 3
It appears as like.
02:03:30:12 - 02:03:31:02
Speaker 2
Mountain.
02:03:31:10 - 02:03:32:16
Speaker 3
Man savior. He's like.
02:03:33:22 - 02:03:34:19
Speaker 2
I have some, like.
02:03:35:02 - 02:03:36:12
Speaker 3
Extra cleaners here, which let me.
02:03:36:14 - 02:03:39:02
Speaker 2
Help you fix pole. So very well. We fixed.
02:03:39:02 - 02:03:40:02
Speaker 3
My pole and I was able.
02:03:40:02 - 02:03:42:02
Speaker 2
To, like, go out and keep ripping.
02:03:42:02 - 02:03:45:01
Speaker 3
Laps. And he teases me that I just took off and.
02:03:45:01 - 02:03:45:12
Speaker 2
Laura.
02:03:45:12 - 02:03:46:15
Speaker 3
Actually just sat there.
02:03:46:23 - 02:03:47:09
Speaker 2
And put her.
02:03:47:09 - 02:03:52:23
Speaker 3
Hand on his arms like like looking in the eyes and just say, with all of her love and everything was just like.
02:03:53:07 - 02:04:05:05
Speaker 2
That. He was like, and you're like an asshole. As I took off to go like, sure. So that's where that's the berry. Yeah.
02:04:05:21 - 02:04:06:12
Speaker 3
So very.
02:04:06:12 - 02:04:06:23
Speaker 2
Very fell.
02:04:06:23 - 02:04:07:22
Speaker 3
Down some stairs and.
02:04:08:07 - 02:04:10:16
Speaker 2
He developed.
02:04:10:16 - 02:04:15:08
Speaker 3
Some brain damaging swelling in his brain. But fortunately.
02:04:15:08 - 02:04:17:12
Speaker 2
He is back and he.
02:04:17:12 - 02:04:19:12
Speaker 3
Is he's recovered his speech.
02:04:19:12 - 02:04:21:16
Speaker 2
Fully and he's back.
02:04:21:16 - 02:04:23:05
Speaker 3
Doing some very easy climbs.
02:04:24:01 - 02:04:24:13
Speaker 2
I actually.
02:04:24:13 - 02:04:27:05
Speaker 3
Had the pleasure of playing him on his first climb.
02:04:27:18 - 02:04:28:07
Speaker 2
Back at.
02:04:28:07 - 02:04:29:06
Speaker 3
The climbing gym.
02:04:29:06 - 02:04:29:13
Speaker 2
And.
02:04:29:13 - 02:04:30:02
Speaker 3
I was like.
02:04:30:07 - 02:04:31:13
Speaker 2
Oh my God, very.
02:04:31:13 - 02:04:32:03
Speaker 3
Glad she is.
02:04:32:03 - 02:04:35:23
Speaker 2
Going to fall. So it was going to like have like a catastrophic.
02:04:37:05 - 02:04:37:08
Speaker 3
My.
02:04:37:16 - 02:04:40:12
Speaker 2
Full is terrified.
02:04:40:12 - 02:04:41:10
Speaker 3
The entire time.
02:04:41:10 - 02:04:43:01
Speaker 2
But but no, it's.
02:04:43:01 - 02:04:43:17
Speaker 3
It's really good.
02:04:44:04 - 02:04:45:04
Speaker 2
To have him back.
02:04:45:04 - 02:04:47:16
Speaker 3
And he is he's healthy.
02:04:47:16 - 02:04:49:10
Speaker 2
And he's doing really well.
02:04:49:10 - 02:04:51:03
Speaker 3
And he's a is an incredible.
02:04:51:13 - 02:04:52:13
Speaker 2
Incredible man.
02:04:52:13 - 02:04:54:23
Speaker 3
And he's been a great mentor friend.
02:04:54:23 - 02:04:55:16
Speaker 2
And I really.
02:04:55:22 - 02:04:57:12
Speaker 3
Consider myself very fortunate to.
02:04:57:19 - 02:04:58:12
Speaker 2
Been in my life.
02:04:59:14 - 02:05:01:20
Speaker 3
Yeah, he actually gave me some sweetgrass.
02:05:02:10 - 02:05:02:15
Speaker 2
And.
02:05:02:23 - 02:05:03:17
Speaker 3
A blessing.
02:05:04:03 - 02:05:04:07
Speaker 2
And a.
02:05:04:07 - 02:05:04:19
Speaker 3
Year after.
02:05:04:19 - 02:05:07:12
Speaker 2
He died, I went back up to where.
02:05:08:07 - 02:05:09:04
Speaker 3
The avalanche happened.
02:05:09:04 - 02:05:10:12
Speaker 2
And had a Little League.
02:05:11:07 - 02:05:12:00
Speaker 3
Ceremony.
02:05:12:00 - 02:05:16:13
Speaker 2
Up there, you know, not with Barry, but with.
02:05:17:03 - 02:05:18:01
Speaker 3
The tools he gave.
02:05:18:01 - 02:05:18:08
Speaker 2
Me.
02:05:18:08 - 02:05:19:12
Speaker 3
And it was it just felt.
02:05:19:12 - 02:05:20:09
Speaker 2
Really powerful and.
02:05:20:18 - 02:05:21:12
Speaker 3
Really spiritual.
02:05:21:12 - 02:05:25:00
Speaker 2
So I'm really grateful to have people like Barry in my life. Yeah.
02:05:25:20 - 02:05:46:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, I, I obviously, I guess I don't know Barry, but he's one of those people that I find, at least from what I've seen of him. Like he feels like he exudes like like confidence and positivity and like, happiness, just like, you know what I mean? There's like certain people that just, like, an energy to them that, like, is just feel good, if that makes sense.
02:05:46:04 - 02:05:49:05
Speaker 1
So I, like I said, I don't know him, but that's no.
02:05:50:01 - 02:05:53:04
Speaker 2
He's amazing that he can be like, yeah, I'm not.
02:05:53:04 - 02:05:56:00
Speaker 3
Sure how it's possible, but he can somehow be like this.
02:05:56:17 - 02:05:57:06
Speaker 2
Alpha.
02:05:57:06 - 02:05:57:16
Speaker 3
Grizzly.
02:05:57:16 - 02:05:58:18
Speaker 2
Bear while.
02:05:58:18 - 02:05:59:08
Speaker 3
At the same.
02:05:59:08 - 02:06:00:10
Speaker 2
Time being.
02:06:00:10 - 02:06:00:16
Speaker 3
This.
02:06:00:16 - 02:06:11:22
Speaker 2
Like wise in medicine, you know, it's a perfect marriage, like, spirituality. Yeah, well, yeah.
02:06:12:10 - 02:06:15:11
Speaker 3
That also. And also love and empathy and joy and.
02:06:16:17 - 02:06:17:19
Speaker 2
You know, it's, you know.
02:06:18:21 - 02:06:20:14
Speaker 3
This is just like nails.
02:06:20:14 - 02:06:21:03
Speaker 2
Good climate.
02:06:21:05 - 02:06:21:23
Speaker 3
That's for.
02:06:21:23 - 02:06:25:17
Speaker 4
Sure.
02:06:25:17 - 02:06:50:19
Speaker 1
Yeah. Well, I guess we're kind of like. We're kind of close to wrapping up here. Um, you know, like, what's, you know, what's what's in the future for you, Adam? Like, you know, I don't know what, like. Yeah, like what? What what's in the future? What are things you're kind of looking at? How is your life going? You know, since the since the incident.
02:06:50:19 - 02:06:51:05
Speaker 2
Yeah.
02:06:51:12 - 02:06:55:04
Speaker 3
Um, yeah. So, I mean.
02:06:55:10 - 02:06:57:16
Speaker 2
You know, like, this is, you know.
02:06:57:18 - 02:06:59:09
Speaker 3
Once again, like, you know, these things aren't.
02:06:59:15 - 02:07:02:19
Speaker 2
Linear. I had a pretty big haircut. I was.
02:07:02:21 - 02:07:03:09
Speaker 3
I was actually.
02:07:03:15 - 02:07:08:15
Speaker 2
Like fairly well. I mean, the other thing that happened after all this, you know, like it happened.
02:07:08:15 - 02:07:14:09
Speaker 3
And so this like deep sense of isolation and so it was like really insane.
02:07:14:09 - 02:07:16:18
Speaker 2
Horrible, horrible time in a lot.
02:07:16:18 - 02:07:17:06
Speaker 3
Of ways.
02:07:18:04 - 02:07:18:16
Speaker 2
And, you know.
02:07:19:00 - 02:07:22:02
Speaker 3
Luckily I was able to sort of draw on some of the coping mechanism I.
02:07:22:02 - 02:07:23:23
Speaker 2
Developed, you know, like.
02:07:24:00 - 02:07:24:21
Speaker 3
Asking for help.
02:07:24:21 - 02:07:26:05
Speaker 2
And getting therapy.
02:07:26:05 - 02:07:27:19
Speaker 3
And using some of the outlets that.
02:07:27:19 - 02:07:29:21
Speaker 2
I had from my, from.
02:07:29:21 - 02:07:30:18
Speaker 3
My accident.
02:07:31:12 - 02:07:31:23
Speaker 2
To.
02:07:32:08 - 02:07:35:20
Speaker 3
Deli's like survive the initial stages of grief which.
02:07:35:20 - 02:07:36:05
Speaker 2
Are.
02:07:36:20 - 02:07:39:13
Speaker 3
Um, you know, just like.
02:07:39:13 - 02:07:41:03
Speaker 2
Overwhelming in a way that I.
02:07:41:03 - 02:07:42:22
Speaker 3
Can't possibly describe.
02:07:43:15 - 02:07:44:03
Speaker 2
Because I.
02:07:44:10 - 02:07:46:13
Speaker 3
Very, very strongly consider myself.
02:07:47:09 - 02:07:47:18
Speaker 2
Very.
02:07:47:18 - 02:07:49:02
Speaker 3
Soon after a while and I'm just not.
02:07:49:02 - 02:07:51:13
Speaker 2
Way into the pain. But I knew.
02:07:51:13 - 02:07:53:23
Speaker 3
I was going to live for the rest of my life basically.
02:07:53:23 - 02:08:00:14
Speaker 2
And it was just due to the, you know, thinking about my family and the hurt.
02:08:00:14 - 02:08:01:16
Speaker 3
That that would cause them.
02:08:02:03 - 02:08:05:00
Speaker 2
But I just mean on my own. I would.
02:08:05:01 - 02:08:06:02
Speaker 3
Toy with myself.
02:08:06:02 - 02:08:16:08
Speaker 2
And, um, and then, you know, a year and a half after the war died, I did.
02:08:16:08 - 02:08:17:09
Speaker 3
Actually try to kill myself.
02:08:18:21 - 02:08:19:12
Speaker 2
I kind of.
02:08:19:12 - 02:08:20:23
Speaker 3
I stopped looking after myself.
02:08:20:23 - 02:08:22:05
Speaker 2
And I.
02:08:22:07 - 02:08:32:12
Speaker 3
You know, I swallowed a bunch of pills. And the main reason for it, though, it wasn't, I just I'd have, like, a cascading series of events in my life, and I was like, I just can't have anything else.
02:08:32:14 - 02:08:33:08
Speaker 2
Happen to me.
02:08:34:11 - 02:08:39:12
Speaker 3
And it wasn't so much that I actually wanted to kill myself and that I just wanted the pain to stop. And so I just.
02:08:39:12 - 02:08:51:18
Speaker 2
Can't deal with the pain anymore. But luckily, I caught myself. I was able to call a neighbor who called me one and I yeah, they got.
02:08:51:18 - 02:08:53:14
Speaker 3
To me before anything too serious.
02:08:53:14 - 02:08:54:05
Speaker 2
Happened.
02:08:55:02 - 02:08:56:16
Speaker 3
And I committed myself to a psych.
02:08:56:16 - 02:08:57:02
Speaker 2
Ward.
02:08:58:18 - 02:09:00:02
Speaker 3
In order to to.
02:09:00:07 - 02:09:04:04
Speaker 2
Really recover properly. And then from there, I.
02:09:04:21 - 02:09:08:16
Speaker 3
Did much deeper, dove into into therapy just so.
02:09:08:16 - 02:09:10:19
Speaker 2
I don't ever end up in.
02:09:10:19 - 02:09:23:16
Speaker 3
That kind of a situation again. So, um, so I'd say today it's sort of, it's, it's, you know, continuing to heal, you know, continue to sort of learn about myself.
02:09:23:16 - 02:09:23:20
Speaker 2
And.
02:09:25:21 - 02:09:29:00
Speaker 3
Just avoid ending up in that situation again.
02:09:29:09 - 02:09:36:23
Speaker 2
And trying to make meaning of my life, you know, do something.
02:09:36:23 - 02:09:42:06
Speaker 3
It gives me a lot of pleasure to do some online coaching of athletes, and it's just it's fun to pass my knowledge.
02:09:42:06 - 02:09:45:05
Speaker 2
On, you know, doing quite a lot of.
02:09:45:05 - 02:09:45:17
Speaker 3
Writing and.
02:09:46:08 - 02:09:47:19
Speaker 2
To writing. And I find.
02:09:47:19 - 02:09:49:03
Speaker 3
That to be very therapeutic.
02:09:49:19 - 02:09:51:23
Speaker 2
Um, you know, I.
02:09:51:23 - 02:09:54:08
Speaker 3
Work closely with our student product design and.
02:09:54:13 - 02:09:56:03
Speaker 2
I quite like that creative.
02:09:56:03 - 02:09:59:01
Speaker 3
Outlet side of things which is, which is interesting.
02:09:59:04 - 02:10:03:22
Speaker 2
Um, and yeah, you know, continue to try to find pleasure.
02:10:03:22 - 02:10:04:16
Speaker 3
In the mountains.
02:10:05:15 - 02:10:12:08
Speaker 2
You know, going into them with like a lot of humility and fear and you know.
02:10:12:09 - 02:10:19:02
Speaker 3
There's days and I go go to them and I just, you know, just sort of wander head just to go hiking.
02:10:19:02 - 02:10:19:06
Speaker 2
In the.
02:10:19:06 - 02:10:19:19
Speaker 3
Mountains.
02:10:20:12 - 02:10:23:01
Speaker 2
Other times, you know, I do go and try to.
02:10:23:15 - 02:10:24:13
Speaker 3
Push myself a little.
02:10:24:13 - 02:10:26:01
Speaker 2
Bit in them, but I'm.
02:10:26:01 - 02:10:27:00
Speaker 3
You know, once again, really.
02:10:27:00 - 02:10:27:14
Speaker 2
Really.
02:10:27:14 - 02:10:31:09
Speaker 3
Conscious of the consequences of what my actions are.
02:10:31:09 - 02:10:34:09
Speaker 2
There. And it's a really fine line.
02:10:34:09 - 02:10:38:01
Speaker 3
Because, you know, you can't constantly be thinking.
02:10:38:01 - 02:10:39:09
Speaker 2
About what.
02:10:39:09 - 02:10:40:18
Speaker 3
Could go wrong because something could always go.
02:10:40:18 - 02:10:44:12
Speaker 2
Wrong in some way so that, you know, probability.
02:10:44:12 - 02:10:46:21
Speaker 3
Versus consequence thing, which is.
02:10:47:15 - 02:10:48:18
Speaker 2
It's really hard.
02:10:49:08 - 02:10:53:12
Speaker 3
But then also sort of motivation and desire. And we got into it as well because.
02:10:54:00 - 02:10:54:07
Speaker 2
You know, I've.
02:10:54:07 - 02:10:59:17
Speaker 3
Gone out to go do something where like basically like all stars were lined.
02:10:59:17 - 02:11:00:20
Speaker 2
Up. And then the day before.
02:11:00:20 - 02:11:02:05
Speaker 3
I was like, I just don't feel it. Like, I.
02:11:02:05 - 02:11:04:23
Speaker 2
Just don't want to do it. I don't want to be in.
02:11:04:23 - 02:11:06:03
Speaker 3
That space and then really.
02:11:06:03 - 02:11:09:18
Speaker 2
Honoring that and not going. And, you know, I feel like.
02:11:09:18 - 02:11:13:08
Speaker 3
Addiction to my partner is prevailing. But you also.
02:11:13:13 - 02:11:16:02
Speaker 2
You know, if you all need to be there and if my.
02:11:16:05 - 02:11:17:18
Speaker 3
Partner's not against me, then.
02:11:17:18 - 02:11:18:19
Speaker 2
They're the wrong people to be in.
02:11:18:19 - 02:11:19:10
Speaker 3
The mountains with.
02:11:20:02 - 02:11:20:17
Speaker 2
You know, the people.
02:11:20:17 - 02:11:24:18
Speaker 3
You're with should respect your your desires and wishes.
02:11:24:18 - 02:11:26:15
Speaker 2
Everybody there, you know.
02:11:26:17 - 02:11:27:10
Speaker 3
Just like I.
02:11:28:01 - 02:11:30:01
Speaker 2
Am with them. Yeah, we're right in the mountains.
02:11:30:01 - 02:11:33:22
Speaker 3
Just really constant communicating with each other, checking in with each other, each other's.
02:11:33:22 - 02:11:35:20
Speaker 2
Doing. And, um.
02:11:36:17 - 02:11:40:15
Speaker 3
You know, those are the three people I like to be in the house with as well. They're the ones who sort of.
02:11:40:21 - 02:11:41:07
Speaker 2
Really.
02:11:41:07 - 02:11:43:04
Speaker 3
Love each other and look out for each other and.
02:11:43:10 - 02:11:44:09
Speaker 2
You really feel like they have.
02:11:44:14 - 02:11:44:17
Speaker 3
Your.
02:11:44:17 - 02:11:46:22
Speaker 2
Back. And they are.
02:11:47:07 - 02:11:53:03
Speaker 3
Also just people that you like to be in those spaces with you going out with good friends or family members. And so I.
02:11:53:03 - 02:11:54:15
Speaker 2
Enjoy that.
02:11:54:15 - 02:11:57:07
Speaker 3
That side of things and sort of being open.
02:11:57:07 - 02:11:57:15
Speaker 2
To.
02:11:57:18 - 02:12:00:17
Speaker 3
Opportunities and possibilities. There's a.
02:12:01:02 - 02:12:01:16
Speaker 2
I've got like a.
02:12:01:16 - 02:12:03:17
Speaker 3
Lifetime of things I would like to try.
02:12:03:20 - 02:12:05:13
Speaker 2
Do probably will.
02:12:05:13 - 02:12:07:17
Speaker 3
Get to a tiny fraction of them or.
02:12:08:00 - 02:12:08:02
Speaker 2
May.
02:12:08:03 - 02:12:08:15
Speaker 3
Not get to do.
02:12:08:15 - 02:12:09:02
Speaker 2
Any of them.
02:12:09:12 - 02:12:13:15
Speaker 3
But it's still fun to dream as well. And it's nice to be in a place right now in my.
02:12:13:15 - 02:12:15:15
Speaker 2
Life where I, I can look.
02:12:15:15 - 02:12:19:23
Speaker 3
Forward as well because there was a time when I wasn't there, I was just basically.
02:12:20:04 - 02:12:20:19
Speaker 2
Holding on.
02:12:20:22 - 02:12:21:13
Speaker 3
To surviving.
02:12:21:13 - 02:12:21:21
Speaker 2
Yeah.
02:12:22:12 - 02:12:32:18
Speaker 1
So out of curiosity, what are some of those dreams? Give me give me like a little sprinkle, you know.
02:12:36:14 - 02:12:42:15
Speaker 2
What I need. Oh, no. I would love to go to Mountain again. It's no.
02:12:43:01 - 02:12:43:19
Speaker 3
Spent some time up.
02:12:43:19 - 02:12:44:18
Speaker 2
In Kobani and.
02:12:45:13 - 02:12:46:15
Speaker 3
It's a really spectacular.
02:12:46:15 - 02:12:49:09
Speaker 2
I've never beat up. Logan Yeah, maybe.
02:12:49:09 - 02:12:50:07
Speaker 3
Time to go try to ski.
02:12:50:07 - 02:12:53:08
Speaker 2
Now. Logan I.
02:12:55:14 - 02:12:56:12
Speaker 3
There's a bunch of really.
02:12:57:08 - 02:12:57:18
Speaker 2
Cool.
02:12:57:21 - 02:12:58:17
Speaker 3
Cops I'd like to try.
02:12:58:17 - 02:13:05:11
Speaker 2
To do around here. I just, I love looking at maps and.
02:13:05:17 - 02:13:09:12
Speaker 3
Sort of seeing if bridges connect to cool.
02:13:09:12 - 02:13:09:21
Speaker 2
How long.
02:13:09:21 - 02:13:10:08
Speaker 3
Can you stay.
02:13:10:08 - 02:13:15:07
Speaker 2
High? Like, Oh, hi, high. I just.
02:13:15:09 - 02:13:17:10
Speaker 3
Love seeing how long you can stay up high on something.
02:13:18:18 - 02:13:19:02
Speaker 2
That.
02:13:19:09 - 02:13:19:18
Speaker 3
Is pretty.
02:13:19:18 - 02:13:21:07
Speaker 2
Neat. A couple of.
02:13:21:07 - 02:13:21:22
Speaker 3
Years ago.
02:13:21:22 - 02:13:22:15
Speaker 2
I did the.
02:13:22:22 - 02:13:24:20
Speaker 3
Bugs to Roger Stone Traverse with.
02:13:25:15 - 02:13:28:06
Speaker 2
Greg Hill and Andrew McNab, and you did that and.
02:13:28:07 - 02:13:28:22
Speaker 3
What was sort of.
02:13:29:08 - 02:13:29:17
Speaker 2
The.
02:13:29:22 - 02:13:31:07
Speaker 3
Fastest time at the time.
02:13:32:09 - 02:13:32:16
Speaker 2
That.
02:13:33:01 - 02:13:34:08
Speaker 3
57 hours.
02:13:34:08 - 02:13:35:15
Speaker 2
And you.
02:13:35:15 - 02:13:38:06
Speaker 3
Know, there's a few other big controversies that.
02:13:38:06 - 02:13:38:18
Speaker 2
I would love.
02:13:38:18 - 02:13:41:23
Speaker 3
To try to do and sort of a lightning fast style.
02:13:42:08 - 02:13:47:09
Speaker 2
And I want to become a better climber. It'd be really cool to climb 513 when they really need them.
02:13:47:12 - 02:13:47:20
Speaker 3
To say.
02:13:48:10 - 02:13:49:20
Speaker 1
Interesting 70,000, you.
02:13:49:20 - 02:13:51:21
Speaker 4
Know, all still in the realm of possibilities.
02:13:52:21 - 02:13:56:06
Speaker 2
Of climbing 8000 feet. Yeah.
02:13:56:14 - 02:13:56:21
Speaker 3
Yes.
02:13:57:11 - 02:14:00:09
Speaker 2
Yeah. No, totally. I mean, if somebody else is willing to.
02:14:02:11 - 02:14:02:18
Speaker 1
Take.
02:14:03:07 - 02:14:08:00
Speaker 2
The high, yeah, I'd love to go climb into the land. Laura and.
02:14:08:00 - 02:14:10:19
Speaker 3
I actually did a really beautiful fast packing.
02:14:10:19 - 02:14:13:13
Speaker 2
Trip in Nepal in November of 20.
02:14:13:13 - 02:14:17:04
Speaker 3
19. So right before she died, as our last trip together and we did this.
02:14:17:13 - 02:14:19:15
Speaker 2
We ran from Katmandu.
02:14:20:01 - 02:14:20:23
Speaker 3
Out to.
02:14:21:04 - 02:14:22:12
Speaker 2
The Langtang Valley.
02:14:23:21 - 02:14:25:14
Speaker 3
And of tagged along.
02:14:25:14 - 02:14:28:16
Speaker 2
The way. And it was a really, really nice.
02:14:28:16 - 02:14:29:11
Speaker 3
Way of traveling.
02:14:29:11 - 02:14:29:15
Speaker 2
And.
02:14:30:07 - 02:14:37:16
Speaker 3
Nepal's really cool for sort of fastback style trips and that sort of easy, easy, easy mountaineering.
02:14:38:18 - 02:14:39:02
Speaker 2
Is.
02:14:40:18 - 02:14:41:21
Speaker 3
Like teahouses along.
02:14:41:21 - 02:14:42:06
Speaker 2
The way.
02:14:42:12 - 02:14:46:05
Speaker 3
So your days can sort of go travel quite a lifestyle.
02:14:46:13 - 02:14:47:14
Speaker 2
You don't need like four.
02:14:47:22 - 02:14:49:22
Speaker 3
Sleeping set ups. And so I'd love to.
02:14:49:22 - 02:14:51:06
Speaker 2
Go back and do a.
02:14:51:06 - 02:14:51:22
Speaker 3
Crossing of.
02:14:51:22 - 02:14:54:09
Speaker 2
Nepal. That would be a huge if I could do.
02:14:54:09 - 02:15:03:14
Speaker 3
A crossing of the Himalaya is sort of like a fastback in style. I think that would just be a wonderful life experience to have sounds. I know somebody who's done it.
02:15:04:00 - 02:15:04:13
Speaker 2
Yeah.
02:15:04:23 - 02:15:07:13
Speaker 3
I know some used on it. And so she's giving me some.
02:15:07:13 - 02:15:08:05
Speaker 2
Data on.
02:15:08:05 - 02:15:08:19
Speaker 3
The country.
02:15:08:19 - 02:15:09:00
Speaker 2
And.
02:15:09:01 - 02:15:09:18
Speaker 3
Yeah, she.
02:15:10:08 - 02:15:11:01
Speaker 2
Highly, highly.
02:15:11:01 - 02:15:11:18
Speaker 3
Recommends it.
02:15:13:21 - 02:15:14:09
Speaker 2
Yeah, I'd love to.
02:15:14:09 - 02:15:15:13
Speaker 3
Go down to South America.
02:15:15:13 - 02:15:20:11
Speaker 2
I really want to go climbing in Patagonia. I think that be incredible.
02:15:21:11 - 02:15:28:17
Speaker 1
It's a that's a good that's a good list. Yeah. So if I'm just getting a sprinkle then yeah. You got your work cut out for you.
02:15:28:17 - 02:15:35:12
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also really want to climb the green V6.
02:15:36:09 - 02:15:39:12
Speaker 4
Hey, girls. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:15:39:12 - 02:15:40:00
Speaker 3
I can send.
02:15:40:17 - 02:15:40:22
Speaker 2
You.
02:15:42:06 - 02:15:44:01
Speaker 4
You got to send it before they change the holds.
02:15:45:08 - 02:15:46:13
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. I think.
02:15:46:13 - 02:15:48:06
Speaker 3
The stimulation would do us.
02:15:48:11 - 02:15:51:22
Speaker 2
Have a little bit of time for today, so I'm not going to have just.
02:15:51:23 - 02:15:56:05
Speaker 1
All the other mountains will be there for a long time. So, you know, time's on your side.
02:15:57:19 - 02:15:59:14
Speaker 2
Exactly, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
02:15:59:16 - 02:16:00:12
Speaker 3
With the mountains? Yes.
02:16:00:15 - 02:16:02:16
Speaker 2
What were those? All the routes.
02:16:03:22 - 02:16:04:07
Speaker 3
Some of them.
02:16:04:07 - 02:16:06:03
Speaker 2
Maybe had a time for it. Yes.
02:16:06:11 - 02:16:08:04
Speaker 3
You know, some of these things.
02:16:08:04 - 02:16:10:14
Speaker 2
I think, you know, they may not be there.
02:16:11:08 - 02:16:12:15
Speaker 3
And so I I'm also a.
02:16:12:20 - 02:16:14:20
Speaker 2
I am a pretty big advocate for.
02:16:15:05 - 02:16:18:09
Speaker 3
You know, seat at least sharing what I'm seeing in the mountains.
02:16:18:17 - 02:16:19:02
Speaker 2
I know.
02:16:19:02 - 02:16:20:01
Speaker 3
Climate expert, but.
02:16:20:03 - 02:16:23:01
Speaker 2
I am a firm believer in.
02:16:24:13 - 02:16:26:16
Speaker 3
Climate change. And because I'm out.
02:16:26:16 - 02:16:27:20
Speaker 2
There quite a lot.
02:16:27:20 - 02:16:29:07
Speaker 3
I do think that it is incumbent.
02:16:29:07 - 02:16:29:20
Speaker 2
On me to.
02:16:30:02 - 02:16:31:06
Speaker 3
At least share what I've seen.
02:16:31:10 - 02:16:32:03
Speaker 2
And on the.
02:16:32:03 - 02:16:36:02
Speaker 3
Mountain we are seeing a lot of changes. I was in the Alps this summer.
02:16:36:02 - 02:16:36:22
Speaker 2
And like a lot of.
02:16:37:05 - 02:16:37:12
Speaker 3
This.
02:16:37:16 - 02:16:38:20
Speaker 2
We didn't go into the Alpine.
02:16:39:04 - 02:16:40:21
Speaker 3
Because the routes are like just falling.
02:16:40:22 - 02:16:43:11
Speaker 4
Yeah, I heard the cosmic threat just completely came down.
02:16:44:07 - 02:16:48:08
Speaker 2
Yeah, completely, completely fell apart. And same with the the.
02:16:48:08 - 02:16:49:19
Speaker 3
Gateway route, which is like the standard.
02:16:49:19 - 02:16:50:14
Speaker 2
Route up to.
02:16:51:08 - 02:16:53:07
Speaker 3
The base. They had to shut that down this summer.
02:16:53:07 - 02:16:57:15
Speaker 2
And I mean, it's it's quite real. You know what? I think a lot of the.
02:16:57:15 - 02:16:59:08
Speaker 3
Lines that we ski.
02:16:59:10 - 02:17:01:17
Speaker 2
In, even in.
02:17:01:17 - 02:17:04:06
Speaker 3
The Rockies, you know, like like silver.
02:17:04:06 - 02:17:05:02
Speaker 2
Horn and.
02:17:07:16 - 02:17:08:10
Speaker 3
Things like that, like.
02:17:08:11 - 02:17:10:05
Speaker 2
May not may not be around.
02:17:10:15 - 02:17:13:10
Speaker 3
For people to ski these like classic Iceland ice lines.
02:17:13:17 - 02:17:13:23
Speaker 2
The one.
02:17:13:23 - 02:17:15:01
Speaker 3
Thousand year geeks may not be.
02:17:15:01 - 02:17:16:15
Speaker 2
There in not that long.
02:17:16:15 - 02:17:19:06
Speaker 3
You know, so so I don't.
02:17:19:08 - 02:17:20:15
Speaker 2
Mean to know all other.
02:17:20:15 - 02:17:21:16
Speaker 4
Change, no less.
02:17:22:04 - 02:17:22:17
Speaker 2
The mountains.
02:17:22:22 - 02:17:26:07
Speaker 4
The mountains.
02:17:26:07 - 02:17:27:22
Speaker 2
You may have to look at them in a different way.
02:17:28:01 - 02:17:30:05
Speaker 4
Lots of options for really sketchy. First descents.
02:17:30:20 - 02:17:35:04
Speaker 2
Yeah. Really lose your power. If you climb.
02:17:35:04 - 02:17:36:07
Speaker 3
Glacial polished rock.
02:17:36:07 - 02:17:37:19
Speaker 2
You're going to be getting exhausted.
02:17:38:03 - 02:17:54:05
Speaker 1
I mean, not that not that it's a good thing or a consolation prize. Also, like other other areas will open up in different ways. And I think climbing seasons will change because of climate change and climate warming, which going to be something really interesting. Yeah. In our lifetime, I mean.
02:17:55:11 - 02:18:04:03
Speaker 3
Climate climbing seasons have jumped up 100%. I mean, people are going to the Himalayas and different different times of year than they ever used to be like.
02:18:04:23 - 02:18:05:21
Speaker 2
And even in the in the.
02:18:05:21 - 02:18:06:09
Speaker 3
Rockies.
02:18:06:14 - 02:18:07:00
Speaker 2
You know.
02:18:07:12 - 02:18:08:20
Speaker 3
The traditional.
02:18:09:07 - 02:18:10:05
Speaker 2
Like you're not doing.
02:18:10:05 - 02:18:11:07
Speaker 3
Much summer mountaineering.
02:18:11:14 - 02:18:11:16
Speaker 2
In.
02:18:11:16 - 02:18:16:23
Speaker 3
The Rockies. Like, it's just people are just not getting on those ice routes anymore. They just don't exist. You have to.
02:18:16:23 - 02:18:18:00
Speaker 2
Go different.
02:18:18:00 - 02:18:18:11
Speaker 3
Times a year.
02:18:18:11 - 02:18:19:11
Speaker 2
To do them. Yeah, I mean.
02:18:19:11 - 02:18:20:09
Speaker 3
Different ice lines are.
02:18:20:09 - 02:18:21:02
Speaker 2
Opening up and.
02:18:22:21 - 02:18:24:05
Speaker 3
For sure. But it's.
02:18:25:04 - 02:18:25:09
Speaker 2
I mean.
02:18:25:09 - 02:18:28:07
Speaker 3
Mounds are dynamic places. They change year to.
02:18:28:07 - 02:18:30:20
Speaker 2
Year, day to day, hour to hour.
02:18:30:20 - 02:18:40:13
Speaker 3
And I think to sort of be conscious of that, you know, climate change sort of emphasizes that more. But any time you go into a new mountain range, you're really spending time.
02:18:40:13 - 02:18:43:13
Speaker 2
With the locals trying to get like a deep dove.
02:18:43:13 - 02:18:45:12
Speaker 3
On what's been happening, try to spend time.
02:18:45:12 - 02:18:46:02
Speaker 2
In them.
02:18:46:03 - 02:18:47:11
Speaker 3
Is definitely the correct approach.
02:18:47:11 - 02:18:53:14
Speaker 2
So anybody that we can warrior traveling new mountain range, you know try to.
02:18:53:14 - 02:18:55:23
Speaker 3
Get as much information as possible for people who are actually.
02:18:56:10 - 02:18:57:13
Speaker 2
Out in the field there.
02:18:57:21 - 02:19:04:18
Speaker 3
What's that? What I'm trying to keep track of it like, you know, weeks in advance going into those places. So you got to get a general sense of at least the trends.
02:19:04:18 - 02:19:07:10
Speaker 1
Yeah. Don't assume that previous information is sound.
02:19:07:18 - 02:19:10:13
Speaker 3
Yeah, no, absolutely not.
02:19:10:22 - 02:19:14:19
Speaker 1
Well, I think that's a pretty good place to end it if you guys are good with that.
02:19:15:03 - 02:19:36:13
Speaker 4
Yeah, I know. Thanks so much, Adam Burr, for coming and taking, you know, a part of your busy schedule. I know it's kind of hard to get this all lined up, but. Yeah, sorry about that. No, no, it's okay. Yeah, we're just happy to see you. And, you know, just a common theme on this podcast is, is people having a place to just be honest and open about some really tough stuff.
02:19:36:13 - 02:19:50:19
Speaker 4
So I really appreciate you feeling safe to. Do that here. And it was well-received by us. And, you know, we can relate on a very small level to some of your stories and stuff. So yeah, we really appreciate you sitting down and feel like we had a great conversation.
02:19:51:13 - 02:19:55:04
Speaker 1
Yeah, man, thanks for taking the time and, you know, really appreciate it.
02:19:56:06 - 02:19:56:20
Speaker 2
Yeah. Thank you.
02:19:56:20 - 02:19:57:05
Speaker 3
Guys.
02:19:57:17 - 02:19:59:08
Speaker 2
A good luck with the recovery. Thank you.
02:19:59:16 - 02:20:03:15
Speaker 4
Yeah, I'm in the rough stages in the beginning here, but I'll turn the corner here pretty soon.
02:20:04:17 - 02:20:05:16
Speaker 2
Yeah, I know for sure.
02:20:05:20 - 02:20:06:05
Speaker 3
It's not.
02:20:06:05 - 02:20:06:13
Speaker 2
Like that.
02:20:06:14 - 02:20:28:12
Speaker 4
Quick, quick bounce that is hopeful. You know, you can't set recovery is it's not linear, but I've set two weeks as my goal so yeah I've heard someone say that to, to to what, two weeks to two out of the boot, walking barefoot. That's it. I just want to. The lack of crutches are really killing me right now.
02:20:28:12 - 02:20:37:05
Speaker 4
Yeah. So I got seven months to run a miles. All right, so I'm going to open as long as long as Adam be there running with me.
02:20:38:17 - 02:20:39:06
Speaker 3
That's right.
02:20:40:02 - 02:20:40:21
Speaker 2
We call it the.
02:20:40:21 - 02:20:42:09
Speaker 3
Joke is it's actually called.
02:20:42:09 - 02:20:43:09
Speaker 2
Hard Walk or.
02:20:45:01 - 02:20:51:11
Speaker 1
I'm going to open a rehab business that I'll do for my clients as I'll just sign them up for the Hard Rock ten months after their.
02:20:51:11 - 02:20:54:13
Speaker 4
Industry. You know, a large.
02:20:54:13 - 02:20:55:23
Speaker 1
Meta analysis of the. Okay.
02:20:56:08 - 02:20:58:12
Speaker 2
The ultimate of course, the ultimate recovery is.
02:20:58:12 - 02:20:58:23
Speaker 1
The Adam.
02:20:58:23 - 02:20:59:15
Speaker 2
Campbell Bash.
02:21:00:11 - 02:21:00:18
Speaker 1
Doesn't.
02:21:02:23 - 02:21:09:11
Speaker 2
Go with the. Yeah, we're not we're not advising that but but.
02:21:09:16 - 02:21:12:07
Speaker 3
Thank you guys for giving space to this and.
02:21:12:15 - 02:21:13:13
Speaker 2
For opening up the.
02:21:13:13 - 02:21:15:16
Speaker 3
Conversation about accidents. It gets.
02:21:16:09 - 02:21:21:05
Speaker 2
It's invaluable and yeah hopefully it.
02:21:21:05 - 02:21:23:01
Speaker 3
Helps somebody along the way. I'm sure it does.
02:21:23:15 - 02:21:24:20
Speaker 4
I think it definitely benefits us.
02:21:24:20 - 02:21:27:20
Speaker 3
Helping the people that are sharing helps you something extra.
02:21:28:08 - 02:21:28:22
Speaker 2
For my behalf.
02:21:28:22 - 02:21:41:19
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me as well. I find and talking about it, not that I can actually relate on as traumatic a level at all. Not that it's like a contest or anything. But I do find it like really helpful to, to talk about.
02:21:44:05 - 02:21:44:17
Speaker 2
Yeah, I would.
02:21:44:17 - 02:21:46:09
Speaker 4
Recognize how it's started and.
02:21:46:09 - 02:21:47:09
Speaker 2
Recommend not trying to win the.
02:21:47:14 - 02:21:49:19
Speaker 1
Yeah, I'm happy to I'm happy to.
02:21:50:10 - 02:21:50:15
Speaker 2
Draw.
02:21:51:11 - 02:21:52:06
Speaker 4
You you know.
02:21:55:13 - 02:22:09:22
Speaker 4
Yeah.